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I've been to see a friend today and she showed me a very old photo album but she didn't have a clue who the people in it were.

There were three or four priests among the pictures and we wondered if anybody get help find anything on them.

Her name is Joan Ratcliffe (That was her maiden name). She was born July 1924, her mothers maiden name was Atkinson. What we're trying to do is work backwards to see if any relatives were in fact priests. Joan was an only child born in Barrow in Furness.

I personally haven't been on here for ages and have tried searching but find you now have to purchase credits to do so, is there another way of searching for free

I'd appreciate and so would Joan (she's 92) any help anybody would be willing to give to try and put some facts and maybe names to these pics at this late stage of her life. She had no living relatives of her own to ask

Thankyou

2 accidental duplicates - have suggested Margaret deletes the other 2 and keeps answers to this one to save duplication.

Grey ghost
Have to say site has been playing up this afternoon, I have been having problems

Your friends birth record from the free site

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Ratcliffe Joan E Atkinson Barrow F. 8e 1093

? Is this her parents marriage - same district.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
Atkinson Margaret M Ratcliffe Barrow F. 8e 1479 <<<<<<<
Hall Edward M McGregor Barrow F. 8e 1479
McGregor Isabella W Hall Barrow F. 8e 1479
Ratcliffe Herbert J F Atkinson Barrow F. 8e 1479 <<<<<

As a starting point.........is this Joan's parents marriage

??


Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
Atkinson Margaret M Ratcliffe Barrow F. 8e 1479
Ratcliffe Herbert J F Atkinson Barrow F. 8e 1479

Her parents' marriage??

Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
Atkinson Margaret M Ratcliffe Barrow F. 8e 1479
Ratcliffe Herbert J F Atkinson Barrow F. 8e 1479

The only birth of a Herbert J F Ratcliffe I can see is in 1870, in Whitechapel.

???

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
RATCLIFFE Herbert J F Whitechapel 1c 410A

a possibility for her mother in 1911???

Margaret Atkinson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Margaret Atkinson
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hawcoat Barrow, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Baldwin St Hawcoat Barrow F
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Registration District Number: 482
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Piece: 25683
Household Members:
Name Age
George Atkinson 44
Mary Atkinson 45
George Atkinson 23
Bertha Atkinson 15
Margaret Atkinson 12
Richard Knight Atkinson 8
Norman Atkinson 4
Joseph Wyley Atkinson 2


Margaret, please will you ask Joan for her parents' names and DOB's, so we can be sure we've got the right family?

Have you any idea of the likely age of the photo?

?????

GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription

First name(s) HERBERT J F
Last name RATCLIFFE
Year range 1898
Place BIRR
Country IRELAND
Regiment Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 1126
Page 109
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

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Also recorded under
GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription

Volume 1129
Page 21
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and
Volume 1128
Page 8
Regiment shows as 40th Foot

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1924

RATCLIFFE Joan Elizabeth Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services ATKINSON B/173/351


Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1923

ATKINSON Margaret M RATCLIFFE Herbert J F Christ Church Methodist, Abbey Road Cumbria Certificate Services


http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

Edits (if relating)

Richard Knight Atkinson on above 1911, has Mother Maiden Name Berry, from link posted here)


Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1898

ATKINSON Margaret Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services BERRY


Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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Atkinson George Ulverston 8e 1097
BERRY Mary Ulverston 8e 1097


Deaths Jun 1925 (>99%)
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Abel John R 62 St.Asaph 11b 381

(1925 the above was Rev. Superintendent Minister at Church of Marriage 1923 posted)

Name George Atkinson
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1938
Registration District Barrow In Furness
County Lancashire
Event Place Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England
Age (available after 1866) 51
Birth Year (Estimated) 1887
Volume 8E
Page 1000
Line Number 97

Name George Atkinson
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Preston, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Civil Parish Preston
Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary
Sub-District Trinity
Registration District Preston
Residence Note Fisher Street
Gender Male
Age 13
Occupation COTTON SPINNER
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1888
Birthplace Preston, Lancashire
Schedule Type 118
Page Number 19


George Atkinson Head M 39 Preston, Lancashire
Mary A Atkinson Wife F 35 Preston, Lancashire
Samuel Atkinson Son M 15 Preston, Lancashire
George Atkinson Son M 13 Preston, Lancashire
Ada Atkinson Daughter F 9 Preston, Lancashire
Isabella Atkinson Daughter F 5 Preston, Lancashire
William T Atkinson Son M 3 Preston, Lancashire
Albert Atkinson Son M 1 Preston, Lancashire
John Atkinson Lodger M 58 Preston, Lancashire

PM from Margaret - please answer on the thread Margaret so all helpers can see replies


She was born Barrow in furness, Dad Herbert and they lived down south later on, Shoreham on Sea at one time. Not sure about mothers family ie sisters brothers

The 1901 for the family that Argyll Gran posted the 1911 for

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Baldwin Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Atkinson Head Married Male 34 1867 Railway Platelayer Cumberland, England
Mary Atkinson Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
George Atkinson Son Single Male 13 1888 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Eleanor A Atkinson Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Annie Atkinson Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Robert W Atkinson Son Single Male 9 1892 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Bertha Atkinson Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Margaret Atkinson Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

EDIT - no names missing, just the way it's copied over

Thankyou for your replies, I'm going through them and trying to put them into some sort of 'tree' I'll show Joan next week when I go to visit her and get back to you. The photo's are I would think going up for 100 years old or even older according to dress they are all wearing

Joan's parents 1939 (Original says RATCLIFFE):

Rfcliffe Household (2 People) 13 Lowther Avenue , Morecambe and Heysham M.B., Lancashire, England

Herbert F Rfcliffe 27 Dec 1898 Male Established Clerical Officer Ministry Of Labour Married
Margaret M Rfcliffe 05 Sep 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
One closed record (likely to be Joan)

As Herbert was born Ireland (GRO Regimental Births) perhaps this is Herbert 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, George Street, Devonport, Stoke-Damerel, Devon, England

John Ratcliffe Head Married Male 29 1872 Staff Sergt Army Gymnastic Staff Leigh, Lanc,
Lilly Ratcliffe Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Ireland
Herbert Ratcliffe Son - Male 2 1899 - Ireland

This is the civil registration:

Name: Herbert John Ratcliffe
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1899
Registration district: Parsonstown
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 3 Page: 418
FHL Film Number: 101067

and parent's marriage:

First name(s) John
Last name Ratcliffe
Registration year 1895
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1895
Registration district Parsonstown
Volume 3 Page 458
MarriageFinder™ John Ratcliffe married one of these people
*Lilly Toole* , Anne Brien, Kate Coolahan, Hannah Baskerville
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958

With the irish connection, maybe the photo found , is of the irish side.
100 years ago, most photos would have been , beyond the reach of your average family, but not the church.
pity we can't see the photo.
Have to say with the scant info supplied, the answers are very revealing , hope it all helps Margaret