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Dawn - how old would she have been ie when was she born? Was White a married or maiden name? How did you connect to her name?

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Electoral register:

Year: 1945- 1955
County or Borough: Middlesex
Ward or Division/Constituency: Spelthorne
Street address: Rose Cottage

Arthur Geater
Bertha White
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Year: 1960
County or Borough: Middlesex
Ward or Division/Constituency: Spelthorne
Street address: Rose Cottage

Bertha White

1939:

Geater Household (3 People) "Rose Cottage" Ashford Road , Sunbury-on-Thames U.D., Middlesex, England

Arthur Geater 27 Nov 1889 Male Stoker Mwb Heavy Work Married
Bertha (E) White 27 Jul 1885 Female Housekeeper Widowed
William E Geater 08 Jan 1913 Male Labourer Heavy Worke Single

Arthur's death:

First name(s) ARTHUR
Last name GEATER
Gender Male
Birth year 1887
Age 72
Death quarter 2
Death year 1959
District MIDDLESEX SOUTH
County Middlesex
Volume 5F Page 73
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)

GEATER Arthur of Rose Cottage Ashford Road, Ashford died June 1959 at Ashford Hospital, Stanwell Middlesex Probate London 3 July to Bertha Edith White widow.

Marriage for Bertha- She doesn't move in with Arthur Geater until 1939.

First name(s) BENJAMIN
Last name WHITE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1931
MarriageFinder™ BENJAMIN WHITE married
BERTHA E NORRIS
Spouse's last name NORRIS
District STAINES
County Middlesex
Volume 3A Page 29
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Her husband's death:

First name(s) BENJAMIN
Last name WHITE
Gender Male
Birth year 1855
Age 81
Death quarter 2
Death year 1936
District STAINES
County Middlesex
Volume 3A Page 5

Bertha Edith White in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Bertha Edith White
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1885
Date of Registration: Dec 1977
Age at Death: 92
Registration district: Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 0056



Bertha Edith Norris in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Bertha Edith Norris
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Kingston
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 330


Bertha Edith Norris in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Bertha Edith Norris
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1885 <<<<<<<<<<< 27th July on the image
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1885
Archive Provided Parish: Norbiton, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: Norbiton
Father: Edward James Buttery Norris (Bicycle Maker)
Mother: Ellen Norris
Reference Number: 3046/1/4



Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Meer Ellen Camberwell 1d 1352
Norris Edward James B Camberwell 1d 1352

In 1935 Bertha's with Benjamin White, she's then listed living with Ellen Norris before moving in with Arthur Geater in 1939:


Year: 1937- 1938
County or Borough: Middlesex
Ward or Division/Constituency: Spelthorne
Street address: 17 Hanworth Road
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0630

Ellen Norris
Bertha Edith White

And in 1929- before her marriage to Benjamin:


Year: 1929
County or Borough: Surrey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Spelthorne
Street address: 17 Hanworth Road

Bertha Edith Norris
Edward James Norris
Ellen Norris

http://www.home-computer.co.uk/gedpage/fam/fam02116.htm

(looks like info.Arthur, on above, has below Marriage, if relating)


Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
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GEATER Arthur Staines 3a 29
SPINK Eva Staines 3a 29

Chris :)

(notes 1939 says 'Separated' for Eva on image)

Deaths Dec 1964 (>99%)
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GEATER EVA 87 MIDDLESEX S. 5F 43

This is the couple in 1911 that Bertha was living with in 1929: (Edward J B Norris dies in 1935)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Armandale Staines Road Sunbury, Sunbury, Middlesex, England

Edward Norris Head Married Male Cycle Repairer 50 1861 London Middlesex
Ellen Norris Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Stonehouse Plymouth
Charles Norris Son Single Male Cycle Repairer 20 1891 East Molesey Surrey

Yes! It was her parents:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Walton Road, East Molesey, Kingston, Surrey, England

Edward Norris Head Married Male 29 1862 Bicycle Maker Lambeth, Middlesex, England
Ellen Norris Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Plymouth, Somerset, England
Bertha Norris Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Norbiton, Surrey, England
Sidney Norris Son - Male 4 1887 - Surrey, England
Charles Norris Son - Male 0 1891 - Surrey, England

So her birth:

First name(s) BERTHA EDITH
Last name NORRIS
Birth year 1885
Birth quarter 3
District KINGSTON
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A Page 330

So- Bertha Edith Norris, daughter of Edward J B Norris and Ellen Meer was born in 1885.

She marries Benjamin White in 1931 (he's quite a bit older than her). Benjamin dies in 1936. She briefly moves back with her mother.

And then in 1939 she moves in with Arthur Geater (as his housekeeper ;-) )

Arthur dies in 1959 and Bertha possibly dies in 1977

oh- but wait!!

Birth doesn't match 1939:

Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms

Name: Bertha Edith Norris
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1885
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1885
Archive Provided Parish: Norbiton, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: Norbiton
Father: Edward James Buttery Norris
Mother: Ellen Norris

EDIT: Phew, it does!! Transcription error :)
She was born 27 July 1885!!
And see PH added same to her post above- great minds :)

So all fits nicely

Benjamin White in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Benjamin White
Abode: 39 Hanworth Road, Sunbury Common.
Record Type: Burial
Age: 82
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Death Date: abt 1936
Burial Date: 27 Apr 1936
Burial Place: St Mary, Sunbury on Thames, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Sunbury on Thames
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Register

Bertha's mother's burial......

Ellen Norris in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Ellen Norris
Abode: Rose Cottage, Ashford Road.
Record Type: Burial
Age: 77
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Death Date: abt 1942
Burial Date: 24 Feb 1942
Burial Place: St Mary, Sunbury on Thames, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Sunbury on Thames
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Register

The Effects on Arthur's probate to Bertha........

£800 10s 6d

Prickles.

Thank you. I know Eva and Arthur never divorced. And had heard stories about 'aunt Betha'. Family had wondered what had happened to the cottage when he died as it didn't go to family. But the death cert showed Eva his wife registering the death but probate went to Bertha White widow Couldn't find Bertha in Sunbury but hadn't thought to look on electoral register. Does this £800 probate mean there wasn't a will as I didn't find one when searching online ? Thank you thank you thank you for your help x

Some fantastic research here - Well done folks :-D

Dawn - you can search the Probate Calendar listings and view for free on
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

In the entry, Probate means there was a Will. Administration means that there wasn't. Any named person was the Executor, not necessarily an heir. In this case it says Probate & that Arthur Geater died on 5 Jun 1959.