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Dea

Dea Report 26 Aug 2016 16:02

Thanks Chris - at least that is proof then......

Unfortunately I know of no records online for that particular church, although I do believe that they are held at Lancashire Records Office.

Strangely though, I can't see anything of this marriage on either Lancs BMD or on FreeBMD.

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Aug 2016 13:27

Ooh!, hold on, one for you here Dea, Manchester, lol...(just this minute found!, been 'niggling' me all morning this has!)

Edits (if can be found online, that is!)

Chris :)

22 May 1908 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

ITEMS OF LOCAL INTEREST.
Today Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Battiste, Grafton Street, Worksop, celebrate their Golden Wedding. They were married at St. Chad's Roman Catholic Church, Manchester, on 22nd May 1858, and for 48 years Mr. Battiste has been employed by Shireoaks Colliery, near Worksop, since leaving which he has been employed by Worksop Urban Council. He is a native of Genoa, Italy, but has resided in England since he was 15.
Mrs. Battiste is a native of Sheffield, her maiden name being Rowbotham. She is 68 years of age, whilst her husband is nearly 71, and both are very active and well preserved. They have six children surviving, 22 grandchildren and 2 great - grandchildren.

Dea

Dea Report 26 Aug 2016 13:18

A tree on Ancestry suggests that Sarah's maiden name is Rowbotham but I see no proof of this and no marriage for her to Joseph.

I found this Sarah Rowbotham on 1851 which would appear to fit ?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Smith Field, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rowbotham Head Married Male 37 1814 File Cutter Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Rowbotham Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Thorne, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Rowbotham Daughter - Female 15 1836 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Sarah A Rowbotham Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Wadsley, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Joseph Rowbotham Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
William Rowbotham Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England


Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Aug 2016 08:10

Was looking around at Joseph on 'google', seems to be a problem that!...(others not having!)

(notes Sarah A. comes from your way Gins, lol, think if it came to it, the 1870 Ambrose Birth Cert. would be needed)

Chris :)

(below looks to be John)

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
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BATTIST John Worksop 7b 25


(and Burial of the son Joseph on 1861, notes he was born Lancs.)

Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady And St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 114
Burial date 01 Sep 1861
Person age 1
Burial person forename Joseph
Burial person surname BATTIST
Burial person abode Worksop


Deaths Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Battiste Joseph 75 Worksop 7b 34


Deaths Mar 1926 (>99%)
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Battiste Sarah A 85 Worksop 7b 35


1911 (Find My Past)
Joseph Battisle Head Married Male General Labourer 73 1838 Genoa Italy
Sarah Ann Battisle Wife Married Female - 70 1841 Sheffield Yorks
Albert Battisle Son Single Male Coal Miners Filler Belowground 29 1882 Worksop Notts
Address 15 Grafton St Worksop
Parish Worksop
County Nottinghamshire
Census reference RG14 PN20225 RG78 PN1211 RD427 SD1 ED4 SN312
(says Married 52yrs, 10 children born, 6 living, 4 died)

Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 07:43

Chris

Can you find a marriage between Joseph Battiste & Sarah?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Aug 2016 07:19

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady and St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 26 Apr 1893
Person forename William
Person sex M
Person abode 40 Lowtown St
Father forename Charles William
Father surname FORES
Father occupation Miner
Mother forename Annie

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(you can find more relating on above, free to use, tick 'Soundex' for surname variants!)

Chris :)


Edits (wondering about below)

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
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LATOIR Ambrose Worksop 7b 24


(notes Brother John had below Son)

Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 26 Feb 1884
Person forename Ambrose
Person sex M
Person abode Worksop
Father forename John
Father surname BATTISTE
Father occupation Collier
Mother forename Mary Ellen


Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady And St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 748
Burial date 04 Mar 1884
Person age 2w
Burial person forename Ambrose
Burial person surname BATTISTE LE TOUR
Burial person abode Worksop


Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Battiste Le Toir Ambrose Worksop 7b 31
Le Toir Ambrose Worksop 7b 31


Deaths Mar 1884 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Battiste-Le-Toir Ambrose 0 Worksop 7b 22
LE TOIR Ambrose Battiste 0 Worksop 7b 22


(Ambrose Father of Lilly)

County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name St John
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 398
Marriage date 26 Jul 1891
Groom forename Ambrose
Groom surname BATTISTE
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Grafton Street
Groom occupation Wood Turner
Bride forename Matilda
Bride surname BLOWER
Bride age 18
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Prospect Place
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname BATTISTE
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename Philip (deceased)
Bride father surname BLOWER
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness George Peet
Witness Sarah Ann

Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 05:43

Here is Joseph


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
144, Newgate Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

John Drury Head Married Male 58 1803 Agricultural Labourer Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Drury Wife Married Female 58 1803 - Yorkshire, England
Henry Lister Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1842 Agricultural Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Job Drury Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Coal Miner Gateford, Nottinghamshire, England
Patience Drury Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Israel Drury Son - Male 7 1854 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Ann Taylor Servant ... Female 32 1829 - Yorkshire, England
James Smith Lodger Widower Male 33 1828 Agricultural Labourer Hertfordshire, England
Herbert Culp Lodger Married Male 25 1836 Moulder Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Culp Lodger Married Female 27 1834 - Lancashire, England
Richard Rhodes Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 ... Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Rhodes Lodger Unmarried Male 16 1845 ... Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
... Cruthers Lodger Married Male 41 1820 Agricultural Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Harriett Cruthers Wife Married Female 38 1823 Agricultural Labourers Wife Warwickshire, England
Mary Cruthers Daughter - Female 11 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
... Cruthers Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ellen Cruthers Daughter - Female 13 1848 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Edward Foy Lodger Married Male 25 1836 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
William Wright Lodger Married Male 36 1825 Agricultural Labourer Ruskington, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Wright Wife Married Female 41 1820 Agricultural Labourers Wife Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
John Foy Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 Cordwainer Ireland
Arnold Previn Lodger Married Male 32 1829 Upholsterer Ireland
John Smith Lodger Married Male 37 1824 Bricklayer & Slater Ireland
Ellen Smith Wife Married Female 37 1824 Bricklayers Wife Ireland

Joseph Battesti Lodger Married Male 22 1839 Coal Miner Italy <<<<<<
Sarah Battesti Wife Married Female 20 1841 Coal Miners Wife - York
Joseph Battesti Son - Male 1 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

George Foreman Lodger Married Male 30 1831 Agricultural Labourer Wardington, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Foreman Lodger Married Female 26 1835 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
John Foy Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1840 Wood Sawyer Ireland
Michael Smith Lodger Married Male 81 1780 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
Thomas Herbert Lodger Unmarried Male 41 1820 Wheelwright Ireland
Henry Goodingham Lodger Married Male 42 1819 Engraver Bath, Somerset, England
Alexander Smith Lodger Married Male 40 1821 Umbrella Maker Norwich, Norfolk, England
George Ward Lodger Married Male 42 1819 Cutler Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Jane

Jane Report 26 Aug 2016 05:25

Wow,

Thanks again and you have found the Italian link, super, this will keep me busy for ages........

Thankyou again.


Jane X.


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Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 05:24

Just looked back at the 'Fores' line and they appear to be from Yorkshire & Nottinghamshire.

Here is William's Grandfather:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston, Upper, Whiston, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

John Foers Male 40 1801 Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Foers Female 40 1801 Yorkshire, England
James Foers Male 15 1826 Yorkshire, England
Benjn Foers Male 12 1829 Yorkshire, England
Charles Foers Male 12 1829 Yorkshire, England
Hannah Foers Female 10 1831 Yorkshire, England
John Foers Male 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
Willm Foers Male 6 1835 Yorkshire, England
Thos Foers Male 1 1840 Yorkshire, England

Jane

Jane Report 26 Aug 2016 05:13

Hello Ginny

Thankyou for sorting this, I shall take some time to study it all, I am rather slow with it all.

Apparently there is a connection with Italy for the Fores line but I think this is probably not true just someones memory not quite right.

What a great help Jane X.


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Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 05:12

Here's the Italian connection for the Battiste family (Lily' Grandfather, Beatrice's
G Great grandfather - Joseph Battiste b1838c Italy)


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Grafton Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Joseph Battiste Head Married Male 53 1838 Coal Miner Italy
Sarah A Battiste Wife Married Female 50 1841 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Ambrose Battiste Son Single Male 21 1870 Wood Yard Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Sarah A Battiste Daughter Single Female 18 1873 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Walter Rowbottom Nephew Single Male 20 1871 Coal Pit Labourer Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Albert Battiste Son - Male 9 1882 School Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cresswell Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Joseph Battis Head Married Male 43 1838 Coal Miner Italy <<<<<
Sarah A Battis Wife Married Female 40 1841 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
John Battis Son Single Male 19 1862 General Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
William Battis Son Single Male 17 1864 General Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Ambrose Battis Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Emma Battis Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Sarah A Battis Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Walter Rowbotham Nephew Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 05:02

Hi Jane

Did you see my post from yesterday. The 1939 Register showing the parents of Beatrice?

Here is her father in 1901/11


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
40, Low Town Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Chas Wm Fores Head Married Male 30 1871 Colliery Underground Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Annie Fores Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
William Fores Son Single Male 7 1894 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Beatrice Fores Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Clinton St Worksop, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Charles W Fores Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 40 1871 Worksop Notts
Annie Fores Wife Married Female - 38 1873 Sheffield Yorks
William Fores Son Single Male Pony Driver In Coal Pit Below Ground 17 1894 Worksop Notts
Beatrice Fores Daughter - Female School 12 1899 Worksop Notts
Charles Fores Son - Male - 9 1902 Worksop Notts
Walter Fores Son - Male - 4 1907 Worksop Notts
Nellie Fores Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Worksop Notts
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And her mother

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
111, Sandy Lane, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Ambrose Battiste Head Married Male 31 1870 Woodyard Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Matilda Battiste Wife Married Female 26 1875 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Ann Blower Step Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Walter Battiste Son - Male 8 1893 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Lily Battiste Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
111 Sandy Lane Worksop, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Ambrose Battiste Head Married Male Finisher Woodyard 41 1870 Nottingham Worksop
Matilda Battiste Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Nottingham Worksop
Walter Battiste Son Single Male Pony Driver In Coal Mine 18 1893 Nottingham Worksop
Lilly Battiste Daughter Single Female - 14 1897 Nottingham Worksop
Frederick Johnson Boarder Single Male Out Of Work 28 1883 Nottingham Worksop

Jane

Jane Report 26 Aug 2016 04:37

Hi,

Can anyone find a census for Battiste or Fores family 1911 or 1901

Fores family is possibly linked to Italy


Jane.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Aug 2016 08:11

Beatrice and her husband are in Australia

living Deakin Victoria in 1980

Name: Beatrice Hyrnik
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1980
Subdistrict: Heathmont
State: Victoria
District: Deakin
Country: Australia

28 Hill Street Ringwood both process workers

Gee

Gee Report 25 Aug 2016 08:08

Thanks Shirley, I knew I'd seen that marriage. I was searching the 'wrong' year!!!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Aug 2016 07:48

nice find gins cos Beatrice did marry Michal Hyrnik

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 25 Aug 2016 07:46

Annie married 1956

Annie''s death (Beatrice sister) :

Name: Annie Moore
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1923
Date of Registration: Jun 1994
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Worksop
Inferred County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
Register Number: 3A
District and Subdistrict: 6911B
Entry Number: 195

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Aug 2016 07:45

First name(s) LILY
Last name BATTISTE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1896
Age 71
Death quarter 3
Death year 1967
District WORKSOP
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 3C
Page 426
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

so never married

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Aug 2016 07:45

(possible for her below)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 13 May 1896
Person forename Lilly
Person sex F
Person abode 15 Crown St
Father forename Ambrose
Father surname BATTISTE
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Matilda


Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady And St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 325
Burial date 04 Aug 1967
Person age 71
Burial person forename Lily
Burial person surname BATISTE
Burial person abode 490 Gateford Road

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Gee

Gee Report 25 Aug 2016 07:43

Probate: William Fores (same address as 1939, above) Died 12th March 1959

To: Beatrice Hyrnik, married woman £76 12s

Edit: I saw a marriage with the above surname and I can't find it now!!!!