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Looking for the above in the 1901 census. George born 1880 Bermondsey London
married Alice E Bonny (Bonney) (b 1881)26th Dec 1898. Found him with Alice and 6 children.in 1911 Found Alice with 2 girls living with her mother in 1901 census
Mystery as to where was George in 1901 ? tried for some time.

Was he in the army?

Many young men of his age would be in South Africa for the Boer War.

Andy

He could have been away between 1900 (when Eliza was born per a tree on Ancestry, and 1903, the year before his next daughter Alice was born in 1904.


For helpers' reference:


Mary Martin
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Martin
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 34 Crosby Row, Bermondsey
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 1866
Household Members:
Name Age
George Martin 31
Alice Martin 29
Mary Martin 12
Eliza Martin 10
Alice Martin 6
Nellie Martin 4
Lily Martin 2
Louice Martin 0

not your george i'm afraid - just to rule it out

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First name(s) George
Last name Martin
Service number 295529
Birth year 1879
Birth date 13 Nov 1879
Birth place Battersea
Birth county London
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/478/295529
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records
Collections from Great Britain

GEORGE
Last name MARTIN
Birth year 1879
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. OLAVE BERMONDSEY
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 275
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Marriage certificate:-

Name: George Henry Martin
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Age: 19
Spouse: Alice Edith Bonney
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1898
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Martin (General Dealer)
Spouse Father: James Samuel Bonney (Hop Porter)
Register Type: Parish Register

Address:- 10 Heygate Street

Not sure what his occupation is noted as being, can anyone else?

Six 'G H Martin' received campaign awards for South Africa.

Could someone with a sub check records on FMP to see if he his in military records.

Andy

His occupation in 1898 (at marriage) is given as Carman.

In 1911 he's an electric light labourer.

I just love her occupation on the marriage cert. Orange Peeler. I have never ever seen that occupation before.

Thought it was Carman but wanted to make sure. Thanks



This is the only G H Martin I can see on FMP for the Boer War

First name(s) G H
Last name Martin
Service number 6283
Rank Private
Regiment 2 Battalion The East Yorkshire Regiment
Rolls WO100/176 page 76
WO100/176 page 122
Notes [The National Archives WO100. The QSA and KSA campaign medal rolls.] Also initial 'JH'
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

...............he's in a Yorkshire regiment so probably not him.

Probably not this one either:-

First name(s) George H
Last name Martin
Service number 6522
Rank Corporal
Regiment 27 (Devon) Company 7 Battalion Imperial Yeomanry
Other regiments/units Unit: served with 26 Battalion Imperial Yeomanry, Rank: Sergeant, Number: 6522
Rolls WO100/356 page 142
Literary references The National Archives The National Archives WO128. Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War.
Imperial Yeomanry
Soldiers' Documents
South African War
Notes Not entitled to KSA.
The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Diamond Hill, Cape Colony, Orange Free State
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

or this one

First name(s) George
Last name Martin
Service number 2643
Rank Private
Regiment 2 Battalion The Gordon Highlanders
Rolls WO100/203
Literary references The National Archives The National Archives WO97. Regular army service papers.
Regular army service papers
Notes The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Belfast, Laing's Nek
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

Maybe?

First name(s) George
Last name Martin
Service number 3776
Rank Private
Regiment 5th (Princess Charlotte Of Wales's) Dragoon Guards
Literary references The Green Horse in Ladysmith: Lt
Col
St
John Gore 158
Notes The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Orange Free State, Transvaal, Elandslaagte, Defence of Ladysmith
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

or

First name(s) George
Last name Martin
Service number 3116
Rank Private
Regiment 1st (Royal) Dragoons
Literary references The National Archives The National Archives WO97. Regular army service papers.
Regular army service papers
/6347
Notes The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Orange Free State, Transvaal, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, Laing's Nek, South Africa 1901
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

from another web site:-

Soldiers of the Queen in the Second Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902

NAMES/INITIALS NO. RANK UNIT/REGIMENT SOURCE DOCUMENT LINK

MARTIN, George 21070 Brabant's Horse WO126/6-14 Extract (Kevin Asplin) Roll Images
MARTIN, George 21070 Trooper 2nd Brabant's Horse WO127/3 Extract (Colin Roe) Roll Images (abw.com) #
MARTIN, George 33614 Trooper Roberts' Horse WO127/19 Extract (Ted Beard) Roll Images
MARTIN, George 4577 Trooper Roberts' Horse WO127/19 Extract (Ted Beard) Roll Images


As George was a Carman, then he likely worked with horses, and the above were Troopers in Roberts' Horse Regiment.

On 5 November 1899, Brabant raised the Light Horse regiment known as Brabant's Horse. The top strength of the unit was 600, all ranks, including South African colonials, Australians, British, Canadians. The unit saw much action against Boer commandos. Brabant's Horse was disbanded in Cape Town on 31 December 1901.

On the 1901 census where Alice is with her mother she is down as a Widow?

Just checked 1901 original image and it is noted that Alice is (M), so married not widowed.

What census on where are you looking as on Ancestry it definately says Wid.

By the way on baptisms for their children George is a builder on one and a bricky on another so he could have been working anywhere in the country and missed the census for 1901.

Name: Mary Ann Elizabeth Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Jan 1899
Father's name: George Martin Occ. Carmen<<<<<
Mother's name: Alice Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 42 Crosby Rd


Name: Eliza Louisa Martin
BORN 9th July
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1900
Father's name: George Martin Occ. BUILDER<<<<<<
Mother's name: Alice Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 2 Union Place

Name: George James Martin

BORN 6th Dec 1902
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1902
Father's name: George Henry Martin Occ Bricklayers Labourer<<<<<<
Mother's name: Alice Edith Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Paul
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 32, Porlock Place

Name: Annie Louisa Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1906 ( 15 or 16 or 18 July)
Father's name: George Martin Occ. Electric Lighter <<<<<<<
Mother's name: Alice Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 36, Crosby Rd

Mel and Catherine -
I'm looking at the 1901 on Ancestry, and can confirm the image says Alice was married (M).

Thanks for your help, so far. We do not think he was ever in the forces.
MEL thanks for the info re George James , he was the son that died (in infancy date not known)
Annie Louisa not one of them.
The family where , Mary, Eliza, George, Alice, Nellie, Lily, louise , there where 3 son's born later. Charles George, henry, Ernie. (as per AG states)
The question was where was he in 1901?? Did think he could have been in prison??but not sure. That would make sense of Alice being with he mother in 1901
i have all the info of the family , just the puzzle of 1901 whereabouts!!
Incidentally George H mother was Mary Ann(e) Bourne, if that helps she died in Camberwell in 1937, living with George and Alice.
George was a bit of a chancer I believe, finish up as a Turf accountant (now Bookies)

If George James was born dec 1902, George Snr must have come back by March 1902, , and the 1901 census was April , he could not have been away for too long, as Eliza was born 1900. Unless he was just missing for the census period. BUT that does not explain why Alice was living with her mother.

Thank you ArgyllGran I thought I may have needed some new glasses for a moment.
:-)

Pauline, if you go back to my earlier post about the Boer War, you will see that the regiment that I suggested was created in 1899 especially for the Boer War and was a light horse regiment, doing a lot of reconnaissance and delivering messages etc. so they would have needed men who worked with horses to make up the regiment. It was disbanded in 1901 which whould have meant that it was only in being for the duration of the war so "if" George was recruited he would have been away for the 1901 census and back in time to have another child in 1902.

Of course it is just a theory but worth keeping on file if he doesn't turn up anywhere else.

Thanks Catherine. I tried to search only 1 George no middle initial came up, the others had a different middle name. Was not him., but do not have access to FMP now. Is there anywhere that you can look at the actual mens records? I did find the army record of another rely, but that was WW1, which proved who he was as gave next of kin, but we really do not think he was in the army