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As already said, there aren't online records for relatively recent travel or immigration.

Thank you AngllGran I agree, all it said on the certificate was that Manuel was a retired policeman .

I can't find where or when Jose arrived in England , He was a Spray Painter according the certificate aged 47 as he married he must have arrived in the uk at some time . Would he have been able to marry in a Registry Office if he was illegal ?

He may not have been a policeman in UK, Sheila.
He may not have been in the UK at all.

Or does the cert give some indication that he was in the UK?

Even if he was, there aren't online records for such relatively recent travel.

I have has another thought . Can you please tell be how he got to England ? in the 1980 when his 47 year old son Jose married ,on the g r o certificate Manuel was a retired policeman



Thanks Sheila

Thank you so much for that Alviegal sorry for not thanking you before . Time zones and dinner in Queensland . I must take a hard copy and have a copy and read thank you

Sheilafromdownunder

On the Ellis Island website, there is a Manuel Adrio listed. He was born c 1900, was a US citizen and listed Havana, Cuba as his last place of residence. He was in transit to Cadiz, Spain.

http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAzMzQzMDQwMjI1Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==


This is the same record on ancestry. He and a lot of other young men are all described as 'seldriers' or 'soldriers.'They are going to Melilla.



Name: Manuel Adrie
Arrival Date: 10 Sep 1921
Birth Date: abt 1900
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Spanish
Port of Departure: Havana,cub
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Antonio Lopez


I wonder if this has anything to do with their journey?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Legion


In the 1920s the Spanish Legion's five battalions were filled primarily by native Spaniards (since foreigners were not easy to recruit) with most of its foreign members coming from the Republic of Cuba.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Annual

The Battle of Annual was fought on July 22, 1921, at Annual in Spanish Morocco, between the Spanish Army of Africa and Berber combatants of the Rif region during the Rif War. The Spanish suffered a major military defeat, almost always referred to by the Spanish as the Disaster of Annual, which led to major political crises and a redefinition of Spanish colonial policy toward the Rif.



Melilla was only some 40 km away, but was in no position to help: the city was almost defenceless and lacked properly trained troops. The Spanish quickly reinforced Melilla with 14,000 men from the Spanish Legion and other units.

From the National Archives website:

Only the records of the Metropolitan Police, the Royal Irish Constabulary and a few relating to the Transport Police are held at The National Archives.

http://tinyurl.com/q8zpf5q

Sorry for the delay thank you so much . On the wedding certificate Jose's father was Manuel Adrio a retired policeman How do I find out if it was the English police force please?. Yesterday I found a 1910 Spanish census which named a Adrio family in Lugo in Spain with a Jose & Manuel Adrio listed. Jose M was repatriated to Cuba and arrived in Ellis Island USA. I have also been told that General Franco destroyed thousands of documents during his time . That is all so far

Thanking you all
Sheila

Carol a brotherwood is still in Croydon to 2004

She may have opted out of the public rolls after then

Unless it's a different Robert J Brotherwood, he remarried in Croydon in 1986.

Robert J Brotherwood died 2011 in Coulsdon, Surrey.

there is a marriage for a carol a flint in Croydon 1977 to Robert brotherwood
if you could find her she might be able to help

if jose married violet flint nee handscombe they had a daughter born 1951 Croydon name carol

I would recommend getting a copy of violets will

You can look for it online and request a copy .will cost you £10 and they will send you a link later for you to view it and download .

https://www.gov.uk/wills-probate-inheritance/searching-for-probate-records

It's there because Kath bell posted you the ref in her posting of 6th Oct

Good morning , I has been 1 month since I request the marriage lines from the GRO and today they have arrived


Jose Manuel Adrio was born in 1933 and at the time of this marriage( 5 April 1980 ) lived at the same address as Violet in Croydon and were married at Croydon Register Office. According to the GRO Certificate Jose was " 47 year old Batchelor " His father was Manual Adrio a retired policeman.

1 of the witnesses was a A Adrio

Thank you all for your hard work. It has been very helpful

Sheila

Exactly Shirley. It's were *you* lived, not necessarily were the person died. Although we know he didn't, he could have died while on holiday in Leeds. You'd have still used the Brighton (Sussex) office which is closest to where *you* live rather than the Leeds one 100s of miles away.
Now that there is greater mobility, it's not unusual for executors who are family to live in a different area of the country. They would contact the Registry local to them, not the deceased's last permanent address.

The husband of the 1977 marriage died in 2011.

So take into consideration that Carol may have remarried between 2011--2016

Births Dec 1947   (>99%)
Brotherwood Robert J Whitehead
 Croydon 5g 71

Mr Robert James Brotherwood in the England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013
Name: Mr Robert James Brotherwood
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1947
Death Date: 25 May 2011
Residence Place at Death: Coulsdon, Surrey, England
Postal Code District: CR5

I didn't use a solicitor I did the probate myself as the executor

We did the wills with a local solicitor but I managed myself with probate

Because of our address Brighton was the probate office that dealt with our area

Here's a list of Probate Registries. As you can see, there aren't that many of them. Probate can be dealt with by any regardless of were the person died. It often depends on where the solicitor, if used, is located as they tend to use their local one. An executor would rather use a local solicitor than one close to the deceased's home.
http://www.probateforms.info/probate-registries/

Her will may have be proved at Brighton but that doesn't mean she died there

Lots of probate offices closed down so responsiblty for will probates were transferred

My hubby died last year in the Medway area of Kent I had to send his will for probate to Brighton to get the grant of probate done