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Hi to you all.
I posted here regarding Orris & Davies ( My Paternal line ) a few days ago and have had some great help so here is another question.
On my maternal side I only ever knew my mothers parents and no further so I decided to start with her father. We knew him as Hector McDonald Davey so I decided to use the official GRO website to order his birth certificate but they do not have him listed.
Are there people who are not listed on the GRO website ?
Or could he have had a name change at some point because I have this nagging in my head from an old conversation with my late mother. She said that there was something about her father that nobody in the family spoke about.
I HAVE found some war records of his name during WW1 but my grandfather would have been 16 when that war started so doesn't seem correct as he would be too young.
Any help regarding the GRO index would be appreciated, I have ordered a marriage certificate from them using my grandmothers details so will see what that says.
Regards .......... Gary

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
146, Linskill Street, North Shields, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Davey Head Married Male 21 1880 Steam Ship Stoker Sunderland, Durham, England
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Mary Ann Davey Wife Married Female 20 1881 - South Shields, Durham, England
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Samuel Davey Son - Male 1 1900 - South Shields, Durham, England
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Hector Mcdonald Davey Son - Male 0 1901 - South Shields, Durham, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Maggie Harper Sister - Female 10 1891 - South Shields, Durham, England

DAVY, HECTOR MACDONALD HARPER Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 743

Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
Davy Samuel S. Shields 10a 1337
Harper Mary S. Shields 10a 1337

Thanks abby,
I have looked at those references earlier today but I'm not too sure about them although I can't discount them. I was led to believe that Hector was from London. (Deptford).
All I know is that he married Grace Tedman in 1931.
Grace seems to be in and out of workhouses while very young. Usually with a brother and some sisters, sometimes with their mother Rachel. I have never heard of Grace having a brother. (William according to workhouse references)
Regards ........ Gary

which one is yours


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Thornhill Avenue Hull, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Robert William Davies Head Married Male Night Watchman 37 1874 Yorkshire Hull
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Emma Charlotte Davies Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Kent Sheerness
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Gertrude May Davies Daughter - Female Confectionery Packer 14 1897 Yorks Hull
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Robert William Davies Son - Male School 13 1898 Yorks Hull
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Hector Mcdonald Davies Son - Male School 10 1901 Yorks Hull xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Mabel Emma Davies Daughter - Female School 8 1903 Yorks Hull
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Harry Edwin Davies Son - Male School 6 1905 Yorks Hull
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Albert Aruther Davies Son - Male - 4 1907 Yorks Hull
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Elsie Davies Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Yorks Hull

Hi Abby,
Mine aren't Davies, they are Davey.
Regards ........ Gary

hi gary
when you get the marriage cert put the info on here please

abby

Ok Abby,
Will do, thanks for your help.

Regards ...... Gary

Could this be Hector in the 1911 census (living in Deptford which seems right)? :-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
92 Grove St Deptford, St Nicholas Deptford, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

George Davey Head Married Male Carman General Carrier 46 1865 Bermondsey London
Mary Davey Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Deptford London
Violet Davey Daughter Single Female - 14 1897 Deptford London
Hector Davey Son Single Male - 12 1899 Rotherhithe London<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charles Davey Son Single Male - 9 1902 Rotherhithe London
Victor Davey Son Single Male - 4 1907 Rotherhithe London
Stanley Davey Son Single Male - 3 1908 Deptford London

Possible marriage for the parents in this family (the census image gives George as having a middle name of Robert):-

First name(s) GEORGE ROBERT
Last name DAVEY
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1883
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE ROBERT DAVEY married
MARY ANN BROWN
District ST. OLAVE SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 351
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008

Kath. x

I think this is the same family in 1901 but Hector'as middle initial is given as "J":-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
40, Maynard Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

George R Davey Head Married Male 39 1862 General Carman Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary A Davey Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Deptford, Kent, England
Alfred E Davey Son Single Male 17 1884 Dock Laborer Deptford, Kent, England
George R Davey Son Single Male 15 1886 - Deptford, Kent, England
Florence M Davey Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Gladys Davey Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Eliza A Davey Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Violet I Davey Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Deptford, Kent, England
Hector J Davey Son Single Male 0 1901 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D2089853

Medal card of Davey, Hector M
Royal West Kent Regiment GS/8632 Private

(War Reference)

(as below, Ancestry)

Hector McDonald Davey
Private Queen's Own (Royal West Kent) Regiment GS/8632 British War Medal and Victory Medal

Chris :)

(if him below)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

5 Hatley Close , Lewisham, London,
Hector M Davey 23 Jul 1898 Male Chocolate Maker Married


(1901 image has Hector J 9mths)

1901 Census taken 31 March


(Brother, on 1901)

1939 Register

46 Windmill Lane , Deptford, London,
Alfred E A Davey 28 Sep 1883 Male Stevedore Heavy Worker Married
S E (Emily) Davey 27 Nov 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
A (Alfred) Davey 18 Jan 1920 Male Clerk Tin Factory Single 53 3 M (Winifred,W) Morris (Spurr) 14 Mar 1924 Female Clerk Paint Factory Single


Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
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Davey Alfred Ernest A Greenwich 1d 976


Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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AMOS Emily Sarah E Greenwich 1d 1834
DAVEY Alfred Ernest Greenwich 1d 1834

All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

(Father George Robert Davey, occ. Carman. Residence at Time, 27, Sayes Street, Deptford)


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

Name: Hector James Davey
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1900
Father's name: George Robert Davey
Mother's name: Mary Ann Davey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
(Born June 25th 1899 8, changed from December?)


Deaths Jun 1974 (>99%)
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DAVEY Hector 25JY1898 Lewisham 14 584


Marriages Jun 1931 (>99%)
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Davey Hector M Tedman Deptford 1d 1805
Tedman Grace Davey Deptford 1d 1805

The South Shields one died 07 April 1979 in Whitley Bay..born and died as DAVY

DOB 01 September 1900

Your Hector was living in Lewisham until at least 1962; so I would say he wasn't born Hector MacDonald Davey

Death registration gives DOB as 25 July 1898 but can't find a birth to go with it - and this fits with the chocolate maker in 1939.

Best I can see for Grace is a May 1904 birth that matches a 1987 death in Ashford. But she's not with him in 1939. She is with him on the electroal rolls though.

Jude

Ref Kathleen's post...

The only birth I can find (from that census) that fits with MMN of Brown is Stanley. There are births for Violet, Victor and Charles in the right area but none with the MMN of Brown. :-S

The 1901 census yields a bit more with entries for Alfred (Ernest) and George (Robert) with MMN Brown.

Nothing for Florence M or Gladys.

There are at least nine baptisms and of them, only George Robert seems to have been registered.

There are no entries MMN Brown for (at least as far as I can see)

Charles 1902
Elizabeth Anna 1896
Charles James 1889
Louisa 1903
Albert Arthur 1905
Hector James 1898
Gladys 1893
Florence Mary 1887
Victor 1907
Violet Irene 1898



Jude

(last added Marriage Jude)

More Baptisms on Ancestry, for George Robert/Mary, haven't got time to look at, at the moment!, apologies)

Chris :)

:-)

Address at baptism of Hector matches 1901 census

Jude

(google brought below, in case relating)

Chris :)

http://thorndike.one-name.net/getperson.php?personID=P4915&tree=Thorndike

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
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Davey George Robert St.Olave 1d 486
Thorndyke Florence Emily St.Olave 1d 486


1939 Register (Find My Past)

50 Westlake Road , Bermondsey, London
George R Davey 03 Dec 1885 Male Stevedore Heavy Worker Married
Florence E Davey 14 Feb 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Cyril Davey 26 Aug 1916 Male Capstan Lathe Hand Single
Stanley Davey 18 May 1923 Male Solicitors Clerk Single


Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%)
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Davey George R 70 Bermondsey 5c 120

(that Marriage on Ancestry, London, matches 1901 Maynard Road)

Hello to everyone here and many thanks for all the answers.
I'm still working my way through all of them but I did originally discount the Hector J and the South Shields listings although you can never be sure.
I have received a birth certificate for Hector's wife Grace which says that she is definitely Grace Tedman daughter of Ernest William Tedman and Rachel Tedman (formally Crocker). Rachel is certainly proving hard to find at the moment.
I'm still waiting for the marriage certificate for Hector and Grace.
Here's hoping.
Regards .......... Gary

Hector j is definitely your's from the baptism. But I cannot find a birth registered for him. He must have changed his middle name to McDonald. And baptism, 1939 and death all sort of match for dob.

Jude

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) ERNEST WILLIAM
Last name TEDMAN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1898
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ERNEST WILLIAM TEDMAN married
RACHEL CROCKER
District CAMBERWELL
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1704

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cooks Cottages, 2, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ernest Tedman Head Married Male 28 1873 Night Watchman (Mineral Water Co) New Cross, Surrey, England
Rachel Tedman Wife Married Female 19 1882 - Deptford, Kent, England
Elsie Tedman Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Alice Tedman Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England