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Hi All, I have a problem with the following, William rogers Arthur Stirling (Actor) b London 1827 died 1898, m 1st Frances Herbert Vipont or Dupont ? she died in 1875 in her will its Vipont, CANNOT FIND HER DATE OF BIRTH, she m 1st 18?? Barlow, William m 2nd 1875 Louisa Viner b 1854 d 1902
Also in the 1851 census it states that William's wife is Elizabeth b 1824 CANNOT FIND ANY TRACE OF HER.
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William Roger Arthur Stirling in the U.K., Civil Divorce Records, 1858-1915
Name: William Roger Arthur Stirling
Gender: Male
Record Type: Husband's petition for divorce
Petition Year: 1874
Spouse: Frances Stirling
Co-Respondent 1: Crane
Co-Respondent 2: Fitz-Simons
Co-Respondent 3: Chandler
Co-Respondent 4: March
Divorce Court File Number: 3499

His probate is on Ancestry

Do you already have the details?

William Rogers A Stirling in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Rogers A Stirling
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 117
Records on Page:
Name
Frances Vipont H Barlow
William Rogers A Stirling

William Rogers A Stirling in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Rogers A Stirling
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 867
Records on Page:
Name
William Rogers A Stirling
Louisa Viner

yes have details of probate, thanks

William R A Stirling in the 1871 England Census
Name: William R A Stirling
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Frances H R Stirling
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Church
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 75
Folio: 33
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William R A Stirling 44 (Comedian)
Frances H R Stirling 29
Edith A Barlow 10 (Step Daughter)
Ethel Barlow 8 (Step Daughter)
Harry Barlow 7 Stepson)
Walter C Barlow 3 (Stepson)
Catherine Ballard 67 (Visitor)
Servants....
Clara Levy 25
Felicie Noel 44
Caroline Dearlove 49
Elizabeth Allaway 35
Charlotte W White 17
Sara A Vass 25

This suggests that Frances had been married before.

1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Chester Place, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William R A Stirling Head Married Male 54 1827 Actor City of London, Middlesex, England
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Louisa Stirling Wife Married Female 47 1834 Actress Leicester, Leicestershire, England
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Arthur L R Stirling Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Surrey, England
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Wiliam J R Stirling Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Surrey, England
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Fanny Eakins Servant Single Female 28 1853 Housemaid Dom Serv Down, Ireland
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Katarina Metz Servant Single Female 20 1861 Cook Dom Serv Germany
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Eugenie de Marque Servant Single Female 22 1859 Nursemaid Dom Serv -
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Census details
First name(s) William R A
Last name Stirling
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 54
Birth year 1827
Occupation Actor
Birth town City of London
Birth town as transcribed LONDON, LONDON
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House number 1
Street Chester Place
Town -
Parish St Pancras
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Pancras
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 179
Folio 17
Page 27
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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1871
William R A
Last name Stirling
Relationship Head
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 44
Birth year 1827
Occupation -
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England
House name -
Street Cheyne Walk
Parish Chelsea
Town -
City -
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Chelsea
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 75
Folio 33
Page 1
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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living with Frances H aged 29, income from dividends, born Greenwich Kent

1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Asylum Road, Warlters Cottages, Saint Giles Camberwell, Camberwell, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Vipont Head Widow Female 47 1804 Annuitant Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England
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Jane Vipont Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 - Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England
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Frances Vipont Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
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Charles Vipont Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Camberwell, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Colman Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 Servant Dorset, England

Jane Vipont
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Jane Vipont
County London, Middlesex
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Islington, London, Middlesex, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Luke
Registration District Islington
Residence Note Middleton Villas
Gender Female
Age 27
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation Gentlewoman
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1834
Birthplace Knaresborough, Yorkshire
Page Number 10
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 136 / 6
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Jane Thorpe Head F 57 Knaresborough, Yorkshire
Jane Vipont Daughter F 27 Knaresborough, Yorkshire
Charles Thorpe Son M 17 Deptford, Kent
Mary Shallcross Servant F 60 , Staffordshire
Emma Hannibal Servant F 40 Buckingham, Buckinghamshire
Henrietta Davill Servant F 19 London, Middlesex
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1st marriage for Frances

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Barlow Henry Walter St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1a 336
Thorpe Frances Vipont Herbert St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1a 336


Andy

Frances H Barlowe in the 1861 England Census
Name: Frances H Barlowe
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry W Barlowe
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 158
Folio: 133
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry W Barlowe 30 (Occ...Something Holder) City of London
Frances H Barlowe 19
Edith A Barlowe 6/12
Jane A Lambert 22
Ann Hill 28
Mary Gandy 36
Martha Godwin 27

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First name(s) Jane
Last name Vipont
Baptism year 1834
Baptism date 12 Mar 1834
Baptism place Knaresborough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference 2015/09/01 00:00:00.000
Page 227
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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First name(s) John
Last name Vipont
Age 40
Birth year 1794
Burial year 1834
Burial date 05 Apr 1834
Burial place Knaresborough, St Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Page 160
Record set Yorkshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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if her name was Frances Vipont she must have m a Mr Thorpe ? but when?

Henry Walter Barlow in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Henry Walter Barlow
Death Date: 27 May 1867
Death Place: Sussex, England
Probate Date: 17 Jan 1868
Registry: Principal Registry

To Frances Vipont Herbert Barlow...widow....of 55 Eversfield Place, St Leonards, Hastings.


Effects Under £600


Henry Walter Barlow in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Henry Walter Barlow
Abode: St Leonards, Hastings.
Record Type: Burial
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Death Date: abt 1867
Burial Date: 1 Jun 1867
Burial Place: St James, St Pancras, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St James, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1867 (>99%)
Barlow Henry Walter 36 Hastings 2b 24

Andy

It would seem then that she took on the surname of her Stepfather.

Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
Thorpe Francis Camberwell 1d 536
Vipont Jane Camberwell 1d 536

thanks for the help

Jane Vipont in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Jane Vipont (Widow)
Spouse: Francis Thorpe (Bachelor) Flax Merchant
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Jan 1852
Parish: St Giles, Camberwell
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Moon (Gentleman)
Spouse Father: Robert Thorpe (Horse Dealer)
Register Type: Parish Register

1841 Knaresborough
Ann Moon
Grace Moon 1797-1858 daughter of James Moon buried Knaresborough.
Ann Vipont 7
Francis thorp 1792-1852 Flax merchant.

1851 Knaresborough
Grace Moon housekeeper
Francis Thorpe Flax Spinner manufacturer unmarried died J/a/S 1852.

Here she is
Frances Vipond Herbert born S Qtr 1841 Greenwich Union mum nee Moon V05 P 215.

Frances Vipond Herbert born 29 July baptised 17/10/1841 by Francis Herbert gentleman abode Knaresborough and Jane Vipont Herbert

Maryb.

Ian are you interested in further info regarding Jane Vipont nee Moon?

Going backwards......I have found some further info if it's of interest to you?

Prickles.;o))

Ah, Maryb has now edited and posted the info i found

On the Vipont/Thorpe marriage, Jane's father is James Moon.

It seems Grace is her sister....

Grace Moon

in the Web: Global, Gravestone Photograph Index, 1265-2014
Name: Grace Moon
Birth Year: 1796
Burial Year: 1858
Burial Place: Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England
Death Age: 62
Cemetery: St John the Baptist
Relationship: daughter of James Moon

Francis Thorpe Esq on the 1841 and 1851 census with Grace, is probably the Francis who married Jane Vipont nee Moon in 1852.

Death of Mother Ann......

Ann Moon in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Moon
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Knaresborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 23
Page: 283


Ann Moon in the Web: Global, Gravestone Photograph Index, 1265-2014
Name: Ann Moon
Birth Year: 1767
Burial Year: 1850
Burial Place: Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England
Death Age: 83
Cemetery: St John the Baptist
Relationship: wife of James Moon


HERBERT, FRANCES VIPOND MOON
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in GREENWICH UNION Volume 05 Page 215



Possibly another child belonging to John and Jane.....

Elizabeth Vipont in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Vipont
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1829
Baptism Place: Knaresborough,York,England
Father: John Vipont
Mother: Jane