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I am getting really stuck and need some help if possible. My 2xs great grandfather was called Thomas Beddow and his wife was Henrietta Hall. I am trying to work out when he was born, died and who his parents were. My great grandmother was Edith Mabel Beddow. I think he was born in 1852 maybe and she was born in 1872. They lived in Whitchurch in Shropshire. I have found two census's but they both have different birth places for him and different ages but all of the family names are the same.
I'm so confused and would love to find out more about him if possible.
Help!

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Venables Yard, Whitchurch, Whitchurch Urban, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Beddow Head Married Male 40 1861 General Laborer Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Henrietta Beddow Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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Edith M Beddow Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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John T Beddow Son Single Male 6 1895 - Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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William Beddow Son Single Male 4 1897 - Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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John Jones Lodger Married Male 71 1830 Drainer Laborer Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
Beddow Thomas Whitchurch, S. 6a 1016
HALL Henrietta Whitchurch S. 6a 1016
HUXLEY Jane Whitchurch S. 6a 1016
Thomasson Edwin James Whitchurch, S. 6a 1016
Williams John Whitchurch 6a 1016

Shropshire marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Thomas
Last name Beddow
Birth year 1864
Marriage year 1892
Marriage date 29 Feb 1892
Marriage place Whitchurch
Denomination Anglican
Residence Whitchurch
Age 28
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Beddow
Spouse's first name(s) Henrietta
Spouse's last name Hall
Spouse's residence Whitchurch
Spouse's age 20
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Hall
County Shropshire
Register date range 1871-1892
Archive reference P303/A/3/8
Page 250
Register type Marriage
Record set Shropshire marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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© DC Thomson Family History

HALL, EDITH MABEL - Order
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in WHITCHURCH Volume 06A Page 692

edith born before marriage do you have edith's birth cert for father

1911

Name: Thomas Beddow
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bronington
Civil Parish: Whitchurch Urban
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County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 St Johns Street, Whitchurch, Salop
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Whitchurch
Registration District Number: 353
Sub-registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 126
Piece: 16227
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Beddow 59
Henrietta Beddow 39
Edith Mabel Beddow 19
Thomas Beddow 16
William Beddow 13
Gorge Beddow 6


Andy

Edith Mabel Hall
England Births and Christenings
Name Edith Mabel Hall
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Sep 1891
Christening Place Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
Mother's Name Henrietta Hall

no father named

For clarity .......

John Beddow age 6 in 1901 is the same person as Thomas Beddow, age 16 in 1911

BEDDOW, JOHN THOMAS HALL
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in WHITCHURCH Volume 06A Page 729


Note also that Thomas Beddow apparently lied on his marriage to Henrietta.

He said he was 28, while Henrietta was age 20.

In fact, he was between 10 and 20 years older than Henrietta according to the later censuses.

Not an unusual situation when one spouse was much older than the other :-)

Thank you. I don't have Ediths birth certificate. What's odd is that both censuses (1911 and 1901) have different ages for Thomas. I not sure if Henrietta married him in a hurry as it was so close to Edith being born. I cannot work out which birth year is correct and it is showing him to have been born in two different places.

Ah OK. Why would someone lie? I had wondered if he had been married before as I have found a Thomas Beddow married to a Christina Beddow. The 1891 census shows they are living in Whitchurch.

Also a henrietta Beddow died in 1920 and also a Thomas Beddow three months later. They were buried in the same grave in Whitchurch but he was apparently 75 when he died and her 52. Non of the dates add up to the censuses

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Venabless Yard, High Street, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Hall Head Married Male 64 1827 General Labourer Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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Mary A Hall Wife Married Female 61 1830 Charwoman Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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Henrietta Hall Daughter Single Female 20 1871 General Servant Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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Mary Jane Hall Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
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Jane Pitchford Lodger Single Female 27 1864 General Servant Wellington, Shropshire, England

Zoe ............

who knows why anyone lied on marriage certificates, or on censuses.

The usual reasons are because they were underage and so would ahve needed parental permission, or one spouse was older than the other; or thet just ddi lie.

The latter is what my own maternal grandparents did in 1902 .......... they each added a couple of years to their ages, but that still made them both under 21 at the time, AND the parents and siblings were present at the marriage. So ............ why???????

The easy answer to Thomas Beddow and Henrietta is that he was so much older than she was, and so it would "look better" if he was closer to her age ............... therefore he lost about 12-15 years in age on his marriage.

Then he "gained" a few years by 1901, so he was older, but still quite close in age.

By 1911, he probably couldn't hide the fact that he was a lot older than Henrietta!


He probably had been married before ............ but you'd need to buy marriage certificates etc to prove that it was the same guy. Thomas Beddows is not an unusual name, and you need to sort out where he was born.

Zoe

you need to buy the birth cert for edith mabel hall 1891

to see who is named as father

as no father named on baptism

In 1901 Thomas said he was born in Manchester, Lancashire, and in 1911 he said Bronington, Flintshire in Wales.

On the marriage record that safc found, he said his father was called John

I wonder if this census is the answer to the discrepancies??? He could well have believed that he was born in Bronington if he moved there at a very young age


1861 Wales census

Name: Thomas Beddow
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Beddow
Mother's name: Mary Beddow
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish or Township: Bronington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Asaph
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Hanmer
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 29

Piece: 1882
Folio: 17
Page Number: 5

John Beddow 29 b.ca 1832, Iscoyd, Flintshire, Ag Lab
Mary Beddow 29 b.ca 1832, Bronington
Thomas Beddow 3
John Beddow 1 b.ca 1860, Bronington
Jane Parbutt 1 Niece

Address:- New Hall

If I am correct, this is his birth registration ....... mmn Parbutt

BEDDOW, THOMAS PARBUTT
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 495


and his parents marriage .........

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
BEDDOW John Ellesmere 6a 1303
Parbut Mary Ellesmere 6a 1303

This might be his parents marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
BEDDOW John Ellesmere 6a 1303
Parbut Mary Ellesmere 6a 1303

Birth for Thomas in Lancashire

BEDDOW, THOMAS PARBUTT Order
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 495

and brother John back in Ellesmere

BEDDOW, JOHN PARBUTT Order
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ELLESMERE Volume 06A Page 657

Andy

and ?????? Thomas, father John, in 1881????


1881 Wales Census

Name: Thomas Beddow
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Beddow
Mother's name: Fanny Beddow
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Malpas - Iscoyd
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Chapel Cottage

Occupation: Ag Lab
Registration district: Whitchurch
Sub registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 15

Piece: 2671
Folio: 106
Page Number: 14

John Beddow 48 b.ca 1833, Iscoyd, Flintshire, Ag Lab
Fanny Beddow 44 b.ca 1837, Tybroughton, Flintshire
Thomas Beddow 23
Ann Beddow 12 b.ca 1869, Bronington, Flintshire, Scholar


??? John's second marriage .........

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Beddow John Ellesmere 6a 1409
Darlington Fanny Ellesmere 6a 1409


possibly Mary Beddow's death

Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)
Beddow Mary Ellesmere 6a 501


??? full siblings to Thomas??

BEDDOW, JOHN PARBUTT
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ELLESMERE Volume 06A Page 657

BEDDOW, SARAH PARBUTT
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in ELLESMERE Volume 06A Page 699

????????????

Thomas in 1871??

1871 Wales Census

Name Thomas Beddow
Age 13
Estimated Birth Year abt 1858
Relation Servant
Gender Male
Where born Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Iscoyd
County/Island Flintshire
Country Wales
Registration district Whitchurch
Sub-registration district Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Household schedule number 53
Piece 2796
Folio 38
Page number 11

Joseph Heath 57 Farmer of 59 acres
Sarah Heath 55
Mary A Nevitt 20
Sarah A Heath 14
Johanna Heath 11
Thomas Beddow 13 Ag Lab