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she was born in dover between 1895@1898 went to school till about 1908 or 1909 lived with her mother brother also her granparents her surname was ford

do you know her name was it ada ford found this one with a brother henry

Ada Ford
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name
Ada Ford
Event Type
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Farnborough, Hampshire, England
County
Hampshire
Civil Parish
Farnborough
Ecclesiastical Parish
Farnborough
Sub-District
Farnborough
Registration District
Hartley Wintney
Gender
Female
Age
5
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1896
Birthplace
Dover, Kent
Page Number
6
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Henry J Ford
Head
M
32
Codford, Wiltshire
Annie Ford
Wife
F
31
Scotland
Ada Ford
Daughter
F
5
Dover, Kent
Henry J Ford
Son
M
3
Devonport, Devonshire

the other births in dover for that year have other brothers and sisters did your aunt only have one brother

This might be the marriage of Phyllis's parents:
Marriages Dec 1929
Ford Stanley J Hills Elham 2a 3034
Hills Gwendoline P Ford Elham 2a 3034

Gwendoline probably born 1909, Ashford.

This might be Stanley, as corresponds to birth in Phyllis's tree:

Births Jun 1901
FORD Stanley Dover 2a 1049

No Father on certificate:

FORD, STANLEY -
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 1049

This looks like Stanley Ford in 1911, but no sister
1911, living at 25 Templar St, Dover
Registration district: Dover Registration District Number: 65
Sub-registration district: Dover
ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household schedule number: 305
Piece: 4612

John Ford 69 head Portsmouth
Emma Ford 73 wife Suffolk
Thomas Ford 38 son Folkestone
Helen Ford 30 daughter Folkestone
Stanley Ford 10 grandson Dover
Eliza Harrison 72 sister married Suffolk
Class: RG14; Piece: 4612; Schedule Number: 305

(Added:
John Ford, 1843, Portsmouth, is in Phyllis's tree on here)

Family in 1901:

Dover County/Island: Kent Country: England
Registration district: Dover Sub-registration district: St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 838 Folio: 151 Page Number: 23 Household schedule number: 135
John Ford 58
Emma Ford 62
Nellie Ford 19 (Helen?)
Class: RG13; Piece: 838; Folio: 151; Page: 23

and 1891
John Ford 48
Emma Ford 51
Albert Ford 16
Edward Ford 14
Nellie Ford 9
Class: RG12; Piece: 749; Folio: 85; Page: 73; GSU roll: 6095859

1881
John Ford 38
Emma Ford 43
William J. Ford 17
Annie E. Ford 15
Reuben J. Ford 13
Thomas L. Ford 7
Albert E. Ford 6
Edwin Ford 4
Class: RG11; Piece: 1009; Folio: 18; Page: 29; GSU roll: 1341239

1871
John Ford 27
Emma Ford 30
William Ford 7
Anne E Ford 6
Reuben J Ford 4
Benjamin C Ford 1
Class: RG10; Piece: 1014; Folio: 127; Page: 52; GSU roll: 827263

The 1911 census says married 48 years, 12 children born, 5 still living.

This looks like marriage:
Marriages Jun 1863
Ford John Elham 2a 1204
HORNE Emma Elham 2a 1204

and a birth showing in 1871 census
FORD, REUBEN JAMES HORNE
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 840

Reuben, 1867, Folkestone, shows in Phyllis's tree, so all this information is known to her.

Saw below Burial...

(1863 Marriage image, John Ford/Emma Horne also on FMP)

Chris :)

Canterbury Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Rueben James
Last name Ford
Birth year 1868
Death year 1899
Age 31
Burial year 1899
Burial date 06 Jan 1899
Burial place Folkestone, SS Mary & Eanswith
County Kent
(Abode, 94, Tontine Street)


Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Ford Reuben James 31 Elham 2a 691


Edits (articles in Newspaper, concerning Death of above, Suicide by hanging. A widower with three young children, it is believed that his mind had become unhinged by reason of the fact that his fiancee had broken off her engagement to him)

I can't see a record of any sort for a Katie (or variation) Ford born 1897-ish Dover.

Hope Phyllis will get back to us about her Aunt.

Is it Kate who you are looking for? How do you know about her?

PM sent to Phyllis to let her know there are replies and queries, and how to find them and answer.

This looks to be Ellen/ Helen/ Nellie:

Birth:
FORD, ELLEN MATILDA (mother's maiden name: HORN)
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 981

She was a twin (John died later the same year)
FORD, JOHN HORN
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 981
------------------------------------

Marriage:
First name(s) ELLEN M
Last name FORD
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1916
Spouse: ALBERT E LOTT
District ELHAM
County Kent
Volume 2A Page 2493
------------------------------------------------

1939 register:
Smith Household (2 People) 20 Linden Cres , Folkestone M.B., Kent, England
Ellen 28 Aug 1881 Lott Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed
Kate 23 Jun 1857 Smith Female Private Means Widowed

PM from Phyllis:

all I know is what gave you
her birth was not reported and she was not on the 1901 census
she was born at 2 dour street chalton green dover
her mum was ellen matilda ford born august 1881in Folkestone
just before my aunt was born ellen her mum emma @dad john ford moved to dover leaving the rest of the family in Folkestone
her brother was born april 1901 at the same address
they went to school together for seven or eight years
it was five minutes from they house walking to wards the town then she vanish into thin air my dad had to walk to school on his own next day


[Phyllis, as I requested in my first PM to you, please add any replies on here - in the white box at the bottom of this page, and click "submit" - then all the helpers can see what you write.]


Do you know what her name was?
Is Katie the person you mean?

When you say her birth was not reported, do you mean it wasn't registered ??
How do you know she was born at 2 Dour Street?

It's a very strange story.

You say she and your father went to school together for 8 or 9 years - that would mean until approx 1915, if your father was born 1901.

(Not until 1908 or 1909 as you said in your opening post..)

Maybe she left home to "live in" somewhere for work.
She would be fully old enough to go into service or other work by then.


How do you know Ellen was her mother? Do you have the birth cert? In which case, what was her name? and that would mean her birth was registered, if that's what you mean by "reported".

If Ellen wasn't her mother, maybe she was a foster child or similar, and not your father's sister at all ?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dour Side, 2, Charlton Green, Dover, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ford Head Married Male 58 1843 Carpenter Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Emma Ford Wife Married Female 62 1839 - Harwich, Essex, England
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Nellie Ford Daughter Single Female 19 1882 - Folkestone, Kent, England

??? there are 10 children boarding .

Katie Ford
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Katie Ford
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Over (Image says Dover)
Civil Parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 289 Hither Green Lane, Lewisham S E
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 2769
Household Members:
Name Age
Millie Walden 27 - children's nurse
Nellie E Rose 30 - children's nurse
Phyllis R Trollope 3
Alic Marshall 12
Wilfred Waghorn 3
Noel Knight 6
Sydney Dwyer 4
Eric Freestone 5
Archie Luster 10
Katie Ford 9
Ernie Auslin 6
Deris Trussler 3



EDIT:
Can't see any such birth.
Is it possible that she was Nellie's illegitimate child, and was passed off as her sister?
Maybe sent off to London in 1908-9 ??

I'm a bit confused :-S

Phyllis said in the pm (I added punctuation) ...........

"Her mum was Ellen Matilda Ford, born august 1881in Folkestone
Just before my aunt was born, Ellen, her mum Emma @ (and) dad John Ford moved to Dover, leaving the rest of the family in Folkestone
Her brother was born April 1901 at the same address "


The 1901 Census posted by safc shows ......

John Ford,
wife Emma and
daughter Nellie b.ca1882, Folkestone.


It all looks as though "aunt" was the illegitimate child of Ellen Matilda (Nellie), and that the parents John and Emma took Nellie to Folkestone partly to hide the fact.


In fact ................ re-reading the OP, that is exactly what Phyllis posted!

......... lived with her mother, brother, also her granparents. Her surname was ford"


FORD, STANLEY -
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 1049



I wonder if Katie was not born in Dover??????