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i am talking about 1935 to 1941 as I think there may a link to someone who maybe able to help me also my dad was aways talking about someone by the name of tommy dodd who I belive died about 1952/3

To find out who lived at 5 Copthall gardens, try the Electoral Roll at the Civic Centre, Folkestone - address and instructions given in this link:

https://www.shepway.gov.uk/the-electoral-register

If they don't have such old ERs, they'll be able to tell you where to find them.
What year are you talking about?

Phyllis

Your grandmother would have required no-one's permission to marry Mr Lott if she was 36 ...................... she was over the age of 21.

how can I find out the name of someone who lived in Folkestone their address was 5 copthall gardens I remember the people at 8 copthall gardens it was mr m gunston I went around there about 4 years ago but houses down that end of the road have been pulled down to make the road wider they may be able to help as dad @ I went there a lot from 1935 to 1941

there was never any talk about Rueben death he just died like the rest of the family and as I said I went to that church for about six years I heard the name of Kathy @ kitty so that made my mine to my sister third name yes she was born out of wedlock so was my dad but I got the ideal that they knew who he was also who would give for my gran permistion to marry mr lott she was 36 years old at the time

"gran said she should have stood up for her daughter"

What do you mean, Phyllis? In what way should your gran have stood up for your aunt?

Phyllis ..

I'm sorry but I cannot understand what you have just posted.

Please tell me if this is what you mean?

many thanks on Rueben

it was a shock, I could not make out why he died around the same as his sister annie

you also have it round the wrong way. Gt gran and g granddad took gran to dover, leaving the boys in Folkestone.

I took the name Kathleen from my sister as she has my grans name ellen second and Kathleen third

gran said she should have stood up for her daughter so she did not get passed off as a sister. Dad did have sister three or four years older than him and they went to (??) together

when aunt vanished, they moved from 2 dour st to temple st then they left dover about 1914/15 to live at 92 Canterbury rd Folkestone, were my grand gran parents died.

I went to st eanswith so it was my church

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so you do not really know the name of your missing aunt?

many thanks on Rueben it was a shock I could not make out why he died around the same as his sister annie you also have it round the wrong way g;gran@g granddad took gran to dover leaving the boys in Folkestone I took the name Kathleen from my sister as she has my grans name ellen second Kathleen third gran said she should have stood up for her daughtero she did not get passed off as a sister dad did have sister three or four years older than him and they went to together when aunt vanish they moved from 2 dour st to temple st then they left dover about 1914/15 to live at 92 Canterbury rd Folkestone were my grand gran parents died I went to st eanswith so it was my church

If your Father is convinced that she is older than him, and he was born in April 1901, then she should be somewhere on 1901 census.

But, as an alternative approach, if they both went to school together, they should show on a school's admission records.

Probably not on-line, but if someone can find Stanley, then the missing sister may be revealed.

Dour Street on the map:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101430399#zoom=5&lat=4034&lon=5542&layers=BT

Added:
Does FMP have Dover schools online?

One of these?
Charlton Church of England Primary School Barton Road CT16 2LX 0.3 Miles
Barton Junior School Barton Road CT16 2ND 0.4 Miles

http://www.doversociety.org.uk/history-scrapbook/schools/charlton-primary-school

When looking at Death of Reuben the other day (1899) was trying to find him 1891, think Florence might have been the wife, there is a Burial (1897 Folkestone if her)
Couldn't see him...

Just wondered who his 3 children are as stated in newspaper article...

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Blomfield Florence Tendring 4a 790
Ford Reuben James Tendring 4a 790
Norman Emma Jane Tendring 4a 790
Taylor William Tendring 4a 790

Edits (then again, 1891 probably wouldn't have 3 children anyway!)


Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Ford Florence 34 Elham 2a 644


FORD, MAUDE ALICE (BLOMFIELD)
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1017


FORD, BEATRICE MARY (BLOOMFIELD)
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 983


FORD, JOHN THOMAS (BLOMFIELD)
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1055 Order


Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Ford John Thomas 0 Elham 2a 642

Phyllis,

Are you sure that your aunt was born 1895 to 1898, and was she always called Katie by your Father?

If her Mother was Nellie, born 1881, then Nellie was very young for a birth in 1895.

Who did your Father believe to be his Father?

Thank-you.

I'm a bit confused :-S

Phyllis said in the pm (I added punctuation) ...........

"Her mum was Ellen Matilda Ford, born august 1881in Folkestone
Just before my aunt was born, Ellen, her mum Emma @ (and) dad John Ford moved to Dover, leaving the rest of the family in Folkestone
Her brother was born April 1901 at the same address "


The 1901 Census posted by safc shows ......

John Ford,
wife Emma and
daughter Nellie b.ca1882, Folkestone.


It all looks as though "aunt" was the illegitimate child of Ellen Matilda (Nellie), and that the parents John and Emma took Nellie to Folkestone partly to hide the fact.


In fact ................ re-reading the OP, that is exactly what Phyllis posted!

......... lived with her mother, brother, also her granparents. Her surname was ford"


FORD, STANLEY -
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 1049



I wonder if Katie was not born in Dover??????

??? there are 10 children boarding .

Katie Ford
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Katie Ford
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Over (Image says Dover)
Civil Parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 289 Hither Green Lane, Lewisham S E
Registration district: Lewisham
Registration District Number: 29
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 2769
Household Members:
Name Age
Millie Walden 27 - children's nurse
Nellie E Rose 30 - children's nurse
Phyllis R Trollope 3
Alic Marshall 12
Wilfred Waghorn 3
Noel Knight 6
Sydney Dwyer 4
Eric Freestone 5
Archie Luster 10
Katie Ford 9
Ernie Auslin 6
Deris Trussler 3



EDIT:
Can't see any such birth.
Is it possible that she was Nellie's illegitimate child, and was passed off as her sister?
Maybe sent off to London in 1908-9 ??

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dour Side, 2, Charlton Green, Dover, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ford Head Married Male 58 1843 Carpenter Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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Emma Ford Wife Married Female 62 1839 - Harwich, Essex, England
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Nellie Ford Daughter Single Female 19 1882 - Folkestone, Kent, England

You say she and your father went to school together for 8 or 9 years - that would mean until approx 1915, if your father was born 1901.

(Not until 1908 or 1909 as you said in your opening post..)

Maybe she left home to "live in" somewhere for work.
She would be fully old enough to go into service or other work by then.


How do you know Ellen was her mother? Do you have the birth cert? In which case, what was her name? and that would mean her birth was registered, if that's what you mean by "reported".

If Ellen wasn't her mother, maybe she was a foster child or similar, and not your father's sister at all ?

PM from Phyllis:

all I know is what gave you
her birth was not reported and she was not on the 1901 census
she was born at 2 dour street chalton green dover
her mum was ellen matilda ford born august 1881in Folkestone
just before my aunt was born ellen her mum emma @dad john ford moved to dover leaving the rest of the family in Folkestone
her brother was born april 1901 at the same address
they went to school together for seven or eight years
it was five minutes from they house walking to wards the town then she vanish into thin air my dad had to walk to school on his own next day


[Phyllis, as I requested in my first PM to you, please add any replies on here - in the white box at the bottom of this page, and click "submit" - then all the helpers can see what you write.]


Do you know what her name was?
Is Katie the person you mean?

When you say her birth was not reported, do you mean it wasn't registered ??
How do you know she was born at 2 Dour Street?

It's a very strange story.

This looks to be Ellen/ Helen/ Nellie:

Birth:
FORD, ELLEN MATILDA (mother's maiden name: HORN)
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 981

She was a twin (John died later the same year)
FORD, JOHN HORN
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 981
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Marriage:
First name(s) ELLEN M
Last name FORD
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1916
Spouse: ALBERT E LOTT
District ELHAM
County Kent
Volume 2A Page 2493
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1939 register:
Smith Household (2 People) 20 Linden Cres , Folkestone M.B., Kent, England
Ellen 28 Aug 1881 Lott Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed
Kate 23 Jun 1857 Smith Female Private Means Widowed

PM sent to Phyllis to let her know there are replies and queries, and how to find them and answer.

Hope Phyllis will get back to us about her Aunt.

Is it Kate who you are looking for? How do you know about her?

I can't see a record of any sort for a Katie (or variation) Ford born 1897-ish Dover.