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Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	23 Jan 2017 00:22
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	I have Thomas Roberts b. 1880 married to Jane Roberts/Bavis b. 1889. They married in 1909. These are my grandparents and they had five children - Catherine b. 1912, Thomas b. 1916, William b. 1918, Margaret b. 1921 and Lavinia b. 1924 ... but my Mom once told me that there was another baby that died but that was all she knew. I am trying to find them in the 1911 census but the only ones I can find are boarding with a Murray family in Eldon Street, St. Helens. They have a 10 month old son named Thomas with them and I wonder if this is the baby that died. I've found two deaths in freebmd - one in 1912 age 1 and one in 1915 age 5. Is the only way I can find the correct one to send for the certificate??
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Jan 2017 00:32
	from the new GRO Index ROBERTS, THOMAS BAVIS GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 782 ROBERTS, CATHERINE BAVIS GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 1557 ROBERTS, THOMAS BAVIS GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 1426 It looks as though Thomas b. 1910 is the one who died, and then they gave the same name to the baby born in 1916
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Jan 2017 00:35
	and yes, the only way to be sure that you have the right death is to send for the death certificate.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	23 Jan 2017 00:42
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Thanks Sylvia. I was hoping there might be another way but I was grasping at straws!! From the new GRO index, the first one you list is the Thomas b. 1910 so you're probably right about that. My grandmother was also named Roberts but her mother 're-married' to a Bavis - hence the two names. Just had a disaster here - moved house a few months ago and lost all my BMD's collected over the years, so that's why I was hoping for another way. Thanks.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Jan 2017 00:53
	and we also have to remember the current "glitch" in the new GRO Index ........... they do not have a means of distinguishing between the child who died at 1 month from the child who died at 1 year My gut feeling is that the child who died aged 5 (months or year) in 1915 might well be the one. Why?? well, Thomas was born September quarter 1910, and was on the the 1911 census as aged 10 months. Thus he would have been older than 1 year in the June quarter 1912.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 29,988 Send Message	+++DetEcTive+++	Report	23 Jan 2017 00:54
	The two names on the birth record reflect the mother's maiden name so Father's surname ROBERTS, Child's forenames CATHERINE Mother's maiden name BAVIS What the parents decided to call themselves after then is an entirely different matter & has no bearing on the birth registration
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Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	23 Jan 2017 01:24
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	I tend to agree with you Sylvia - suppose I'll have to send for that certificate though, to make sure. Thanks Detective.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	24 Jan 2017 01:45
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Not sure if this should be a separate thread or not. Can anyone help me find Jane Roberts/Bavis mentioned above, in the 1901 census. Jane was born in 1889, in St. Helens, Lancs., to parents John Price Roberts and Louisa Dennett. Louisa left her husband and went to live with Thomas Bavis and in 1891 census they are living at 5 Hibbert St., Oldham. Jane married Thomas Roberts in 1909 and her marriage certificate says she was living at 185 Boundary Road, St. Helens. I just can't seem to find her or her mother and Thomas Bavis in the 1901 census. Thanks.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 03:34
	just to get the information ......... 1891 Census Name: Thos Bavis Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Louisa Bavis Gender: Male Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Oldham Ecclesiastical parish: Hollinwood County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Oldham Sub registration district: Oldham Below Town ED, institution, or vessel: 52 Piece: 3307 Folio: 54 Page Number: 15 Thos Bavis 32 Coal Miner Louisa Bavis 25 b.ca 1866, St Helens Jane Bavis 2
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 03:37
	so Louisa is still with Thomas in 1911, living back in St Helens Name: Thomas Bavis Age in 1911: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Helens Search Photos: Search for 'St Helens' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 43 Eldon St St Helens Lanc Marital Status: Married Occupation: Miner (Hewer) Registration district: Prescot Registration District Number: 456 Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Piece: 22779 Thomas Bavis 51 Louisa Bavis 45 Thomas Bavis 11 b.ca 1900, St Helens Francis Bavis 5 Albert Bavis 4 Eliza Am Cliffe 24 and son Thomas was born St Helens
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 03:44
	hmmm did they have 2 children that they called Thomas, but one died?? oh dear ...... they say 10 children born, 5 died BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 735 BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 748 died BAVIS, THOMAS 2 GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 586 BAVIS, THOMAS 0 GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 535 I'm trying to identify more children so I can search on forenames :-)
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	24 Jan 2017 03:50
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Thanks Sylvia. Yes that's them. Thomas died in 1936 and Louisa went on to find a third husband.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:04
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Sorry Sylvia, only just seen your second note. I had no idea there were 10 children, I only knew about two, plus two step-children (Jane and her sister, Catherine). I know they had a son, Frances, who died.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:05
	I THINK this is them, even though the image does seem to be Davies ........... the forenames all fit :-D what do you think??? 1901 Census Name: Thomas Davies Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: Thomas Davies Mother: Louisa Davies Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Helen Search Photos: Search for 'St Helen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Parr St Peter Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Piece: 3525 Folio: 111 Page Number: 3 Household schedule number: 13 Thomas Davies 40 b.ca 1861, St Helens, General Labourer Louisa Davies 37 b.ca 1864, St Helens Jane Davies 15 b.ca 1886, S Helens Kate Davies 10 b.ca 1891, Ashton-under-Lyne Thomas Davies 1 Address:- 14 Hammond St ??? BAVIS, CATHERINE DENNETT GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 655
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:12
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Sylvia, you are amazing. It definitely looks like them and I suppose Davies and Bavis could look or sound the same. Jane would be my grandmother, Kate would be Catherine, her sister. Interesting that Catherine was born in Ashton-under-Lyne and yes, that birth for Catherine is correct - Louisa's maiden name was Dennett. Now I'll have to try to find those elusive children!! Thanks.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:14
	children from the new GRO Index ............ BAVIS, CATHERINE DENNETT GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 655 BAVIS, FRANCIS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 736 BAVIS, MAGGIE DENNETT GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 805 BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 757 BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 735 BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 748 BAVIS, MARY JANE DENNETT GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in ST HELENS Volume 08B Page 801 BAVIS, FRANCIS DENNETT GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 801 BAVIS, ALBERT DENNETT GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 796 That's only 9 Plus Jane!!! ROBERTS, JANE DENNETT GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 725 Poor Louisa!
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:18
	The new GRO Index is fantastic ........... they have digitised their records, and show the mmn for children born 1837 to 1915/16 http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp You have to sign up, and then log in each time, but it is free Click on Order Certificates Online and search the GRO historic ....... scroll down to LogIn, and Register as an Individual
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:26
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yikes ... 3 husbands and 10 kids, no thanks. Didn't know about the new GRO Index, I'll definitely give it a go. I'm trying to fill in gaps - as mentioned above, I've lost all my BMD certificates and of course hadn't entered some of the info on my tree. Now I'm playing catch-up. Thanks again.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:34
	You're welcome!!
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	24 Jan 2017 04:43
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 899 Send Message	Hi Sylvia Sorry to be a pain, but I've just logged in to the GRO but how to I begin an actual search?

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