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Many thanks to everyone for the help.

JpK

Oh ! I will look for another Henry/Caroline marriage but maybe Henry and Caroline recorded as Blissett in 1841 never married. Be good to be able to trace both paternal and maternal lines for James.

lMy maternal gt grandmother had eight

children all born out of wedlock but with the same father.

I won't be back on GR until this evening as down to Southampton and Portsmouth today. Hopefully the high winds won't close the old Severn bridge.

Thanks Austin for your help .
JpK

I think you can rule out the Henry Clarke/ Caroline Diggins marriage- the certificate is on Ancestry. Henry is listed as bachelor living Edward Street

The baptisms for Henry, Mary Ann & Joseph are on Ancestry. I don't see baptisms for Caroline (c1846) or James.

I'm not sure about the Diggins birth. Without the certificate it's hard to be sure, but I suspect that none of the children were registered. Joseph's baptism gives an exact DOB but I still can't find his birth in the indexes.

If the Diggins birth was correct that would mean Henry had married a Caroline, she died, then he married another Caroline (Diggins) in 1848, and then she must have died before 1861 because Henry is then listed as a widower :-S

I may be wrong but I don't think it's likely- where are the deaths for the Carolines?

Thanks Austin. It's good to have a Clark family to trace. Wish I could say the same for Caroline Diggins I can't find anything on her at all so far. Mary Ann Clark born1839 has Caroline as mother. Assume this is Caroline Diggins.

This hobby is so addictive!! I have to get my granddaughter up and to school.now.

Once again thankyou.

JpK

James Sister, Mary, married in 1859:

Name: Mary Ann Clark
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Age: 22
Spouse: John William Tilbury
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1859
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Clark (Gasfitter)
Spouse Father: John William Tilbury
Register Type: Parish Register
Abode for both- Union Street
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Nicoll Street North Side, Shoreditch, London, England

John Wm Tilbury Head Married Male 26 1835 Coal Porter Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Mary Ann Tilbury Wife Married Female 24 1837 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Henry Tilbury Son - Male 4 1857 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,
John Wm Tilbury Son - Male 2 1859 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Mary Ann Tilbury Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Louisa M Clark Niece - Female 10 1851 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,

This is Henry, still at Princes Street in 1871- Harriett is listed as his daughter, but she was actually his Grandaughter (daughter of his son Joseph who married Rebecca Evans)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Princes Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London, England

Henry Clark Head - Male 56 1815 Labourer, Middlesex,
Harriett Clark Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Middlesex,
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Joseph's marriage:

Name: Joseph Clarke (Groom)
Abode: 18 Princes Street
Spouse: Rebecca Sarah Evans
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1868
Parish: St John, Hoxton
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Clarke (Labourer)
Spouse Father: Samuel Evans
Register Type: Parish Register
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Joseph & family 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
36, Clarissa Street, Shoreditch, London, England

Elizabeth Evans Head Widow Female 66 1815 Laundress Ballingham, Surrey,
James Evans Son Single Male 25 1856 Carman Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Rebecca Clark Daughter Married Female 32 1849 Dress Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Joseph Clark Sister In Law Married Male 38 1843 Coachmans Servant Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Harriet Clark Grand Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Dress Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Elizabeth Clark Grand Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,
John Cortenay Lodger Single Male 22 1859 Wood Chopper Shoreditch, Middlesex,

Thanks Austin,

There is a marriage for Henry Clark and Caroline Diggins in 1848 and a birth for James to Henry and Caroline formally Diggins in 1848.
Perhaps it was a second marriage for Henry.

Many thanks for your help

JpK

So the 1861 with James in Princes Street is surely the correct family (in 1851 they had Hannah Blisset, mother, with them)? You now have it sorted?

Henry and Caroline with his mother in 1841- listed under Blisset although children baptised Clark.

1841:
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston West
Piece: 705 Book: 7 Folio: 30 Page Number: 19
Name Age
Hannah Blissett 45
Henry Blissett 25
Caroline Blissett 20
Henry Blissett 5
Mary Blissett 1

Hello Austin James address was Princes Square on his marriage certificate. Henrys

mother, Hannah Clarke married Richard Blissett on 23rd January 1825.

What address is recorded for James on his marriage to Emma?

Hi Austin,
You have the two families that could have the right James but So far I haven't been able to link the James who married Emma to either. I know the marriage to Emma is correct as its in the Wallis family bible. Sadly there are no more details on James to point me in the right direction . Trying to find births for him which might tie in was the only way I could think of going. Thankyou for helping.
JpK

Thankyou all . The one given true fact I know about James is that he married Emma Naomi Wallis July 5th 1869. His father recorded as Henry a labourerEmma's father William a carpenter. The witnesses were Henry Hart and Caroline Clark.who could be mother or sister.

There is another Clark family in 1851 with Henry head wife Caroline John 10 and James either 3 or 6 depending on site. Caroline Paget had an illegitimate son in 1841 and married Henry in 1844.

I have to go now but will be back as any help to pinpoint the right James will be much appreciated.

JpK

From that link I posted earlier, below was on it, not sure if JPK saw it...

Chris :)

Henry Clarke married Caroline Paget in 1844 St Matthew Bethnal Green. A witness at the marriage was David Thacker. Caroline's father was Matthew Paget, labourer.
The Henry & Caroline's son James married Sarah Ann Thacker, daughter of David.

The Clarkes and Thackers were both living on Mail Coach Yard. I've assumed, though haven't worked out the details, that these Pagets were related. (there's a plausible looking baptism for a William Paget, son of Matthew, in Shoreditch 1819)

Both the Clarke and Thacker families were poor but surviving -- they were both subject to Shoreditch settlement examinations. Matthew seems to have been in and out of the workhouse.


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=43491.0

(google also bringing another)


(adds below reference, if him)

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
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CLARK James St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 576
THACKER Sarah St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 576


Westminster Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Sarah (Spinster)
Last name Thacker
Age Minor
Marriage year 1867
Parish St Peter, Eaton Square, Pimlico
Spouse's first name(s) James (Bachelor. occ. Labourer)
Spouse's last name Clark
Spouse's age Minor
(his Father Henry Clark, occ. General Dealer. Her Father David Thacker, occ. Willow Cutter. Residence at Time for both, Union Street)


1861 (Find My Past)
David Thacker Head Married Male 56 1805 Willow Cutter Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Martha Thacker Wife Married Female 45 1816 Willow Cutter Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Sarah Thacker Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 General Servant Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
George Thacker Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Alfred Thacker Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
John Clark Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 General Dealer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
William Paggett Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1841 General Dealer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
John Lock Lodger Unmarried Male 25 1836 General Dealer Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
House number 5
Street Kingsland Road
Parish Shoreditch
County London, Middlesex
Ecclesiastical district St Leonard Shoreditch
Registration district Shoreditch
Enumeration district 5
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 232
Folio number 33
Page number 12


http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Shoreditch/Shoreditch1881.shtml

(David THACKER, W, 81, M, Inmate, Willow Cutter, Shoreditch, Middlesex.)

(Baptism for Sarah Thacker, on Ancestry, London, 1846)


Edits (for latest posting from JPK)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Gillingham
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 2133
Baptism date 21 Mar 1847
Person forename Emma Naomi
Person sex F
Person abode New Brompton
Father forename William
Father surname WALLIS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

or this one?:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Laburnum Terrace, Saint Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Henry Clarke Head Married Male 36 1815 Laborer At Cement Works Hackney, Middlesex,
Caroline Clarke Wife Married Female 29 1822 Laundress Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Henry Clarke Son - Male 14 1837 Errand Boy Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Mary Clarke Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Joseph Clarke Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Caroline Clarke Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex,
James Clarke Son - Male 2 1849 - -
Hannah Blissett Mother Widow Female 60 1791 Charwoman
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
18, Princess Street, Shoreditch, London, England

Henry Clerk Head Widower Male 40 1821 Labourer In Gas Worke Hackney, Middlesex,
Joseph Clerk Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 ... Shoreditch, Middlesex,
James Clerk Son - Male 10 1851 Errand Boy Shoreditch, Middlesex,

* Surname is Clarke on original

Also note that James (husband of Emma) was a gasfitter in 1871

And you're trying to link above to this James?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Harriss Buildings North, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Henry Clark Head Married Male 32 1819 Hawker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Caroline Clark Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
John Clark Son - Male 10 1841 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
James Clark Son - Male 3 1848 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Kingsland Road, Shoreditch, London, England

Henry Clark Head Married Male 43 1818 General Dealer Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Caroline Clark Wife Married Female 37 1824 Hawker Shoreditch, Middlesex,
John Clark Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Hawker Shoreditch, Middlesex,
James Clark Son - Male 14 1847 Hawker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Clark Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Mary Clark Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex,

His age is a little different in 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Albert Road, Camberwell, London, England

James Clark Head Married Male 40 1851 Art Metal Worker Kingsland, Middlesex,
Emma Clark Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Chatham, Kent, England
Emma Clark Daughter Single Female 20 1871 (Kennington?) Kensington, Middlesex,
Florence Clark Daughter Single Female 18 1873 - Kensington, Middlesex,
Ethel Clark Daughter - Female 16 1875 - Kensington, Middlesex,
Mildred Clark Daughter - Female 14 1877 Scholar Kensington, Middlesex,
Alfred Clark Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Peckham, Surrey, England
Walter Clark Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Peckham, Middlesex, England

Is this the marriage? Transcription on FMP & Ancestry

First name(s) James
Last name Clark
Name note -
Marriage year 1869
Marriage date 05 Jul 1869
Marriage place Kennington
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Clark
Spouse's first name(s) Emma
Spouse's last name Wallis
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Wallis
Residence Kennington, Surrey, England
County Surrey
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and the couple in 1871?: (her family living next door)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bolton Street, St Mary Lambeth, Lambeth, London, England

James Clark Head - Male 23 1848 Gasfitter Kingsland, Middlesex,
Emma Clark Wife - Female 24 1847 Gillingham, Kent, England
Emma Clark Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Surrey, England

I have to go now but will be back tomorrow with more details. Many thanks for your help Jude it's much appreciated.
JpK

No marriage showing as far as I can see...

Jude