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no idea John, lol, not seeing them...

Chris :)

Are you saying they just forgot to put them down?

Well beginning to think quite a few children from both families in Plumbers Row 1871, reckon they lost count of who was there and wasn't, lol...

Phew!...

Chris :)

(Peter Marriage, Death etc. posted earlier)

Yes John is also missing.

I have Margarets birth cert she is born 12 July 1871 and mother Catherine is living at 9 Plumbers Row (the address on the 1871 census)

So where are the 3 missing children? 4 if Peter is also related.

With 1871 taken April 2nd, wouldn't have been long before Birth of Margaret, and from the 1881 you posted earlier John is missing also...

Have you got any Birth Certs.?...

Chris :)

HANBERGER, MARGARET (LONGWATER)
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 486

HAHNBERGER, PETER (LACKEN)
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 487


(that 1881)

John Report 2 Feb 2017 11:14

Thanks for the replies. The actual family I am looking for are called Hanenberger

This is them in 1881
6 Leman Street, Red Lion Yard, London
HEAD HENRY HANENBERGER 51 FUR SKIN DYER BORN GERMANY,
wife Catherine 47 born Germany,
daughter Elizabeth Hanenberger 19 born Middlesex, unemployed domestic servant,
son John Hanenberger 17 born Germany cabinet maker,
son Peter Hanenberger 12 born Middlesex,
daughter Margaret Hanenberger 9 born Middlesex,
son Fredy Hanenberger 6 born Middlesex.

(then)

Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
HANBERGER Henry 57 Whitechapel 1c 239


http://www.census1891.com/viewhouse.php?sid=235&did=5042

Katharina Hanenberger H Wi 51 F Bavaria, Platinab

Peter Hanenberger So S 21 M Fur Dresser Ed London, Whitechapel

Hello

Thanks for all your help yesterday. If I am going to accept that this is Elizabeth's family in 1871

Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England
Henry Handburger Head - Male 44 1827 - Germany
Catherine Handburger Wife - Female 35 1836 - Germany
Henry Handburger Son - Male 13 1858 - Germany
henry is a skin dyer

Where are the rest of the family in 1871
Elizabeth born 1861 in Whitechapel
Peter born 1869 in Whitechapel

I am the great great grandson of Henry 1830 and Elizabeth 1834 Hanenberger.

I am still inclined to think that there are 2 families with the head of household as a Henry and Catherine Hanenburger / Hanberger.

This is because of when the children have been registered, the mothers maiden name has been given as Langwasser (or its various spellings) or Berndes (or its various spellings)

So I think there is one family Henry and Catherine nee Langwasser and another family Henry and Catherine nee Berndes.

I have not yet been able to piece together all the information to see who goes where.

(now found the way to do FMP Piece search etc., grief!, it was so much easier olden times lol)

Chris :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=718621.0

Anyway, after all that, who is it that you relate back to with this variant of Surnames?...

I think Louis age is 2 on the 1871 census.

Louis Hanberger in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Louis Hanberger
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 527

Married Margaret Rebecca Butterfield in 1889.

Have not had a chance to look at 1881 yet but Louis has not really aged.

Above Henry, Catherine and son Henry on the 1871 census is.......

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Peter Handburger Head - Male 33 1838 - Germany Skin Dyer
Mary Handburger Wife - Female 31 1840 - Germany
Mary Handburger Daughter - Female 11 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
Peter Handburger Son - Male 8 1863 - London, Middlesex, England
Louis Handburger Son - Male 12 1859 - London, Middlesex, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Holloway Street, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Peter Dauburger Head Married Male 43 1838 Skin Dyer Germany
Mary Dauburger Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Prussia, Germany
Peter Dauburger Son Single Male 18 1863 Skin Dyer City of London, Middlesex, England
Louis Dauburger Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Henry Dauburger Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Frank Dauburger Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
John Dauburger Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Henrietta Dauburger Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar City of London,

Did find Baptism, Ancestry, London for below (Peter/Mary) earlier on when looking at things!...(think Fur Dresser, for occ. Peter)

(for couple on that 1871 above)

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
HANBERGER Frederick William Mile End 1c 607

(Burns for Maiden Name, new GRO Index, and below)

HANBERGER, HENRY (BERNS)
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 542

Chris :)


Edits (so if Katherina and Peter on 1891 link posted, must be a Death for Henry, she is down as Widow)

Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
HANBERGER Henry 57 Whitechapel 1c 239


Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Hamberger Peter Poplar 1c 911
Stringer Hannah Mary E Poplar 1c 911

(image for above, Ancestry, London, Father Henry, Deceased. occ Fur Dresser)


HAHNBERGER, PETER (LACKEN)
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 487

(if him)

1901 (Find My Past)
Peter Hanberger Head Married Male 31 1870 Fur Dresser London, England
H M Hanberger Wife Married Female 31 1870 Stay Maker London, England
H F Hanberger Son Single Male 2 1899 - West Ham, Essex, England
M A Hanberger Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Plaistow, Essex, England
Street Meath Road
Parish West Ham
County Essex
Municipal ward West Ham
Registration district West Ham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1571
Folio 5
Page 1


1911 (Find My Past)
Peter Hamberger Head Married Male Fur Dresser 42 1869 London Whitechapel
Hannah Hamberger Wife Married Female Sewing Machinist 42 1869 London Bow
Harry Hamberger Son - Male School 12 1899 Essex Westham
Nery Hamberger Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Essex Westham
John Hamberger Son - Male - 8 1903 Essex Westham
Florence Hamberger Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Essex Westham
Dorethy Hamberger Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Essex Westham
Alice Hamberger Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Essex Westham
Address 9 Amity Road West Ham Stratford
Parish West Ham
County Essex
Census reference RG14 PN9409 RG78 PN506 RD188 SD2 ED36 SN174
(says Married 15yrs, 7 children born, 6 living, 1 died)


1939 Register (Find My Past)

9 Amity Road , West Ham C.B., Essex,
Peter Hamberger 13 Apr 1868 Male Fur Dresser -Retired Married
Hannah E Hamberger 12 Aug 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Dorothy E Hamberger 14 Jul 1907 Female Gents Tailoress Vest Fixer Single
Alice H Hamberger 01 Jan 1909 Female Elliot Fisher Operator Typist Single


Deaths Dec 1940 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Hamberger Peter 71 Halstead 4a 1864


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(Burial, Newham on above)


https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

(for new search GRO, Maiden Name of Mother)


HANBERGER, MARGARET (LONGWATER)
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 486

Well done Saf......

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Henry Handburger Head - Male 44 1827 - Germany
Catherine Handburger Wife - Female 35 1836 - Germany
Henry Handburger Son - Male 13 1858 - Germany

If you check out the image on Ancestry......other "Handbuger's" are also on that page.

i put in henry 1828 plus or minus 5 years

other house hold name catherine

mile end for place

Well not transcribed 1861 perhaps!...(can only give you below directions to get there!)

Chris :)

FMP 1861

mile end old town (in box next to Where)

new street (in box Optional Keywords)

(see Edmund 1861 that comes up, on his image, go back to previous, they are there, No.2)


(was easier in olden days, we used to just copy in folio, page etc.)

I think that is them in 1871 safc that was a good find.

Can I ask what you put in the search page to find them?

Now for 1861!!

find my past


First name(s) Henry
Last name Handburger
Relationship Head
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 44
Birth year 1827
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth county as transcribed GERMANY
Birth place Germany
House name -
Street Plumbers Row
Parish -
Town -
City -
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Mile End Old Town
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 556
Folio 4
Page 7
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Handburger Head - Male 44 1827 - Germany
Transcription
Catherine Handburger Wife - Female 35 1836 - Germany
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Henry Handburger Son - Male 13 1858 - Germany


henry is a skin dyer

Thanks PricklyHolly, I have found those details in the past.

Relating to Elizabetha baptised 15 Dec 1861 I then found this registration in freebmd ¼ Dec 1861 Whitechapel 1c 374 and assumed it was her.

But this is what the birth cert shows: born 13 November 1861. Elizabeth Hanberger. 15 Fieldgate Street, Whitechapel, father Henry Hanberger, a musician, mother Catherine Hanberger formerly Berndes

Now because the mothers maiden name is different to that shown on the baptism and because I have traced her with her father and mother in 1881 and her father is a fur skin dyer.

I am wondering if the Hamberger family in 1861 is a different family to the Henry and Catherine (nee Langwasser) that you have found PricklyHolly and the family in 1881.

HANBERGER, MARGARET LONGWATER Order
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 48