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hayler
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3 Feb 2017 17:16 |
Hi can anyone help me try and find Grandmothers birth family. Her name Vera Margaret Baker born in 9/4/ 1919 to Sarah Annie Baker at queen charlottes hospital, she was living at 8 Macroom road Maida Hill Paddington occupation Domestic cook at time of birth. I have found her at this address 1918 & 1919 census . We dont know if she was adopted at birth. Adopted (we pressume) by Rosina Kirby & Mr Jamieson, although they got together after 1920 when Rosina's first husband Kirby died, Vera Baker took Jamieson name although Rosina & mr Jamieson never married. !! any advice would be much appreciated on how I can go forward in my search. thankyou kind regards Angela
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AustinQ
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3 Feb 2017 17:27 |
Is this the couple? If so Vera isn't with them in 1939. Who did Vera marry?
1939 register: Jamieson Household (2 People) 8 Loseberry Road , Esher U.D., Surrey, England
Roseina (Rosina) Jamieson (Kirby) 28 Jun 1880 Female Cook Married William Jamieson 28 Jan 1875 Male Gardener Domestic Married
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 17:32 |
For helpers' reference;
Sarah Annie Baker in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: Sarah Annie Baker Year: 1919 County or Borough: Westminster Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington and St Marylebone Street address: 8 St. Simon's Vicarage
Image says 8 Macroom Road, no mention of vicarage. Ancestry ER transcriptions are dreadful, anyway.
I don't suppose the birth cert gives Sarah's age, does it? That would be helpful!
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AustinQ
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3 Feb 2017 17:35 |
Argyll- what would be the criteria for listing on the electoral register in 1919? (Age , status wise?)
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 17:41 |
From Wikipedia:
Political movement towards women's suffrage began during the war and in 1918, the Parliament of the United Kingdom passed an act granting the vote to: women over the age of 30 who were householders, the wives of householders, occupiers of property with an annual rent of £5, and graduates of British universities.
Doesn't sound like a young unmarried domestic servant, I must say.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 17:43 |
Continuing from Wikipedia:
About 8.4 million women gained the vote.[1in 1918] In November 1918, the Parliament (Qualification of Women) Act 1918 was passed, allowing women to be elected into Parliament. By 1928 the consensus was that votes for women had been successful. With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21, granting women the vote on the same terms as men
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 17:45 |
So - Sarah would have had to be born 1888 at latest
This one's a domestic cook and is old enough - though not fulfilling other status requirements above:.
Sarah Annie Baker in the 1911 England Census Name: Sarah Annie Baker Age in 1911: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: York, York, England Civil Parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 30 Addison Gardens, Kensington, London W Marital Status: Single Registration district: Kensington Registration District Number: 2 Sub-registration district: Kensington South ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 87 Household Members: Name Age Emma Maria Caillard 59 Kathleen Witres Copland Griffiths 21 Inoy Copland Griffiths 20 Louisa Woods 49 Ellen Ruth Laxton 25 Sarah Annie Baker 24 - born Thornaby on Tees Edith Myra Baker 21 - born Maidenhead
Possibly her birth:
Births Sep 1886 (>99%) Baker Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 578
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AustinQ
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3 Feb 2017 17:47 |
Thanks Argyll- Was thinking the same- she wouldn't have been a young girl.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 18:02 |
Just in case - this will be the Sarah in 1911 above:
Sarah A Baker in the 1901 England Census Name: Sarah A Baker Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: John Wm Baker Mother: Sarah E Baker Birth Place: Thornaby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Thornaby Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby St Paul County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Thornaby ED, institution, or vessel: 04 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4588 Folio: 86 Page Number: 3 Household schedule number: 14 Household Members: Name Age John Wm Baker 49 Sarah E Baker 44 John Baker 17 Sarah A Baker 14 Fred Baker 12 William C Baker 10 Eva Baker 7 Elsie Baker 6 Eva V Baker 4 [Ena V on image] - Ena Victoria on birth record.
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Andrew
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3 Feb 2017 18:08 |
Several births in right area
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Jun 1884 (>99%) BAKER Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 644 Births Jun 1886 (>99%) Baker Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 639 Births Sep 1886 (>99%) Baker Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 578
One marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%) BAKER Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 1363 PICKERING George Middlesbro' 9d 1363
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George Pickering 28 Sarah Annie Pickering 26
so probably the 1884 birth.
Andy
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 18:17 |
All a stab in the dark, though, without knowing how old Sarah Annie was when Vera was born.
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hayler
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3 Feb 2017 18:44 |
Oh fantastic all these replies i cant thank you enough for looking into this, I have the birth certificate for Vera Margaret Baker , but sadly no age for Sarah Annie Baker. Vera's apparent adoptive parents Mr Jamieson & Rosina Kirby Widower of John Kirby (John died 1920) Rosina and John had a daughter Rosina Margarette Byrell Kirby in 1901, I believe Vera went to live with Rosina Margarette and husband Stephen phillips at some point not sure the exact year. Rosina Kirby died and death cert gives her name as Rosina Jamieson previous Kirby , widower of Mr Kirby. a bit confusing. Argyllgran are you saying that as Sarah Annie Baker is on Census 1918/19 living at no.8 Macroom road, then she must have been over 30yrs of age. so she would, strange you always presume and unmarried young girl. so the Sarah Annie in 1901 & 1911 are the same person so worth me looking at her and her family that is fantastic, I don't know how you do it but that is a great help thank you everyone so much appreciated. kind Regards Angela
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2017 20:39 |
Angela -
I'm not saying that the Sarah Annie in 1901 & 1911 is definitely your Sarah - just that she is a suitable age to have been listed on the Electoral Roll (not a census) in 1918, she is a domestic cook, and she's living in London.
In 1918 and 1919 Sarah has the letter O against her name, which indicates she is listed as eligible to vote by reason of her occupation (per the notes at the beginning of the ER).
EDIT (CORRECTION): Sorry - not her occupation as in her job, but her occupation of the property.
However - There are several people called Sarah Ann or Annie Baker in the 1911 census, of an appropriate age, in various places. Just because your Sarah was in London in 1918, it doesn't mean she was there in 1911.
It's unfortunate that we don't have any more clues to who she was.
Re Macroom Road - per the 1911 census records, I see that 8 Macroom Road was indeed St Simon's Vicarage. In 1911 the vicar was Walter Patteson Legg, who lived there with his sister Fanny, a boarder and two servants.
EDIT: - No, it wasn't. Silly me went by the mistranscription on Ancestry. I should know better. I DO know better!
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3 Feb 2017 21:13 |
The London Metropolitian Archives hold admins and discharge records of Queen Charlottes which was situated Marylebone Road,
They carry good details such as age, address.status..when and time of admittiance date of discharge.
maybe possible to see the details of the child such as weight/length/ and delivery notes*******.if this hast got 100year closure.
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hayler
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3 Feb 2017 21:53 |
of course I totally understand why you chose that Sarah Annie, but yes it is just a shot in the dark but so worth looking into the family, as for Macroom road and the Vicarage. maybe she moved away from home for the year whilst pregnant possibly. as a domestic cook at the vicarage. thank you so much for all your help kind regards ~Angela
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hayler
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3 Feb 2017 23:17 |
Hi Kay thank you for the information regarding London Metropolitan Archives I have just been on web site but struggling to find how to search records, can you give me any info on how I would do this sorry to be a pain. thanks again Kind regards Angela :-S
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2017 09:04 |
Ah, that's why I didn't see her listed- she was already married in 1939:
1939 Register: Welch Household (4 People) 20 Homersham Road , Kingston-upon-Thames M.B., Surrey, England
Mabel Welch 24 Nov 1875 Female Governers Widowed John D Goodman 03 Jan 1914 Male Aircraft Shoe & Metal Works Married Vera M Goodman 07 Apr 1919 Female Clerk Electrical Engineer Married -----------------------------------------
Marriage: Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%) Baker Vera M Goodman Staines 3a 131 Jamieson Vera Goodman Staines 3a 131 Goodman John D Baker Staines 3a 131 Goodman John D Jamieson Staines 3a 131 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Death listed under Jamieson and Goodman:
Name: Vera Margaret Jamieson Name: Vera Margaret Goodman Birth Date: 7 Apr 1919 Date of Registration: Nov 2005 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Taunton Inferred County: Devon, Somerset Register Number: A83B District and Subdistrict: 724/1A Entry Number: 189
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hayler
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4 Feb 2017 09:40 |
Hi Austin , yes that is correct her birth name is Vera Margaret Baker, adoptive name Jamieson, married name Goodman thank you
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2017 10:03 |
Maybe not helpful to the search, but Rosina and William Jamieson were living together before 1920. She is listed on the electoral registers as Jamieson at 41 Eve Road Isleworth in 1918.
William, also lists Rosina as his next of kin when he enlists in 1918- he refers to her as Rosina Kirby, housekeeper of 41 Eve Road.
William's wife, Amelia, died in 1913
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Mary
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4 Feb 2017 11:01 |
Walter Patteson legg still at The Vicarage 1919 which seems to number 19,Macroom Road
Sarah Annie Baker at 8 Macroom Road so it would seem she had no connection to The Vicarage.
Maryb.
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