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Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 355 Send Message	Mark	Report	6 Feb 2017 13:28
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 355 Send Message	I have found a record on ancestry.co.uk which reads... Name:Richard France Age:18 Birth Date: abt 1813 Birth Place:Leigh, Lancaster Military Date:12 May 1831 Unit:84th Foot Soldiers, 1st Battalion I would very much appreciate any further records were possible in locating any possible marriage or children and death of the above. Many thanks in advance. Mark
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:30
	The original doesn't give much more info other than 5' 6 3/4", fair complexion, grey eyes. dark brown hair and he was a cotton weaver.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,408 Send Message	Maddie	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:30
	Richard France in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 View Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 View Map Report issue Name: Richard France Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1814 Parish: Leigh, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Leigh' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Mother: Bridget France Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts Reference Number: Drm 2/115a
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:35
	Don't know if this might be him. Remember that ages over 15 on the 41 census were rounded down to nearest 5 or 0 so his age of 25 could have been 25-30 making him born 1811-1816. Richard France in the 1841 England Census View 1841 England Census View blank form Name: Richard France Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Leigh Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Lowton Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 513 Book: 14 Folio: 20 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Richard France 25 Mary Ann France 25 William France 11 Mo
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:41
	Original says he's the son of Bridget France, single woman. Richard France in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 View Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 View Map Name: Richard France Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1814 Parish: Leigh, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Leigh' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Mother: Bridget France Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts Reference Number: Drm 2/115a
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,408 Send Message	Maddie	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:41
	1841 ??? Name: Richard France Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Leigh Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Lowton Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 513 Book: 14 Folio: 20 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Richard France 25 Mary Ann France 25 William France 11 Mo Name: Richard France Registration Year: 1840 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Bolton Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 21 Page: 67 Records on Page: Name Richard France Jonathan Haslam Mary Ann Hilton Catherine Monaghan William Sorah Jane Thompson James Tong Esther WiLD DEATH Name: Richard France Registration Year: 1859 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Bolton Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 180
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,408 Send Message	Maddie	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:45
	?????? Marriage: 27 Jun 1825 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England William Heyes - (X), Widower, Leigh Parish Bridget France - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish Witness: Samuel Whittle; Charles Taylor Married by Banns by: Jacob Robson Curate Register: Marriages 1825 - 1832, Page 1, Entry 3 Source: LDS Film 559188 Baptism: 11 Dec 1791 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England Britchet France - Daughter of Ann France Abode: Astley Notes: B.B. Register: Baptisms 1760 - 1812, Page 52, Entry 2 1851 me Bridget Heyes Age 61 Estimated Birth Year abt 1790 Relation Head Gender Female Where born Astley, Lancashire, England Civil parish Astley Ecclesiastical parish Astley Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps 4707 County/Island Lancashire Country England Registration district Leigh Sub-registration district Lowton ED, institution, or vessel 2c Household schedule number 101 Piece 2204 Folio 295 Page number 39 Household Members Name Age Bridget Heyes 61 Charles Heyes 23 Mary Heyes 19 Isaac Unsworth 79
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:46
	Did he marry another Mary Ann? He's a widower at this marriage: Richard France in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 View Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Richard France Birth Year: abt 1814 Age: 38 Marriage Date: 19 May 1852 Parish: Manchester, St Mary Parish as it Appears: Manchester Father: Richard France Spouse: Mary Ann Jackson Spouse Father: James Jackson Reference Number: GB127.M403/2/3/10
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,408 Send Message	Maddie	Report	6 Feb 2017 14:51
	1841 Name: Bridget Heyer [Bridget Heyes] Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Leigh Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Culcheth Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 513 Book: 1 Folio: 6 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age William Heyer 45 Bridget Heyer 50 James Heyer 15 Charles Heyer 14 William Heyer 12 Mary Heyer 9
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 355 Send Message	Mark	Report	6 Feb 2017 15:01
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 355 Send Message	Thank you so much
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 355 Send Message	Mark	Report	6 Feb 2017 16:15
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 355 Send Message	If he did marry again he used his own name as a fathers name - being illegitimate unless he knew the true identity of his natural father
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 21:20
	Another version of Richard's baptism from lancs opc Baptism: 13 Feb 1814 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England Richd France - son of Bridget France Abode: Astley Occupation: Weaver Baptised by: Wm Lister Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1844, Page 10, Entry 76
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 21:28
	Marriage in 1840 from lancs opc ....... Marriage: 18 Feb 1840 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England Richard France - Full, Engineer, Bachelor, Claremont Mary Ann Hilton - Full, Spinster, Westhoughton Groom's Father: William France, Farmer Bride's Father: William Hilton, Publican Witness: Robert Watson; Norman France Married by Licence by: J. Slade, Vicar Register: Marriages 1839 - 1841, Page 57, Entry 114 Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library and the 1852 marriage Marriage: 19 May 1852 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England Richard France - 38, Labourer, Widower, 16 Regent Road Mary Ann Jackson - 48, Spinster, 16 Regent Road Groom's Father: Richard France, Labourer Bride's Father: James Jackson, Publican Witness: John Douglas; William Peacock Married by Banns by: Ephraim Harper A.B. Rector of St. Simon’s Parish Salford Register: Marriages 1851 - 1852, Page 141, Entry 282 Source: LDS Family Search Problem is there are so many Richard France!
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 21:41
	FRANCE, WILLIAM HILTON mmn HILTON GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 170 ??? Possible other children FRANCE, ANN mmn HILTON GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 471 FRANCE, ROBERT mmn HILTON GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 568 FRANCE, ANN mmn HILTON GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 560 FRANCE, MARGARET HILTON GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 21 Page 577 FRANCE, EDWIN HILTON GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 629 ??? from lancs opc Baptism: 23 Jun 1844 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England Robert France - Son of Richard France & Mary Ann Abode: Westleigh Occupation: Shopkeeper Baptised by: E Blenkinsopp, Curate Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1849, Page 198, Entry 1580 Source: LDS Film 1885645 Baptism: 28 Feb 1847 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England Ann France - Daughter of Richard France & Mary Ann Abode: Pennington Occupation: Shopkeeper Baptised by: H. T. Turner Offg. Minister Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1858, Page 380, Entry 3040 Source: LDS Film 93747 Baptism: 7 Jul 1850 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England Margaret France - [Child] of Richard France & Mary Ann Abode: Pennington Occupation: Shopkeeper Baptised by: Alfred Hewlett Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1853, Page 56, Entry 446 Source: LDS Family Search
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 21:50
	??? 1851 Census Name: Richard France Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann France Gender: Male Where born: Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Pennington Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Leigh County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: West Leigh ED, institution, or vessel: 1f Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 2205 Page Number: 1 Richard France 35 Baker Mary Ann France 34 b.ca 1817, Westhoughton William France 10 b.ca 1841, Rumworth, Lancashire Robert France 7 b.ca 1844, Pennington, Lancashire Ann France 5 b.ca 1846, Pennington Margaret France 9 Mo b.ca 1850, Pennington Address:- Market Place The Richard France in 1841 described himself as "Shop Keeper.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 22:16
	This is that family in 1861, minus father Richard 1861 Census Name: William France Age: 21 Estimated birth year: 1840 Relation: Head Mother's name: Mary Ann France Gender: Male Where born: Botton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Pennington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Leigh County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: West Leigh ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 153 Piece: 2803 Folio: 65 Page Number: 30 William France 21 Shop Keeper Mary Ann France 43 b.ca 1818, Westhoughton, Lancashire, Widow, Housekeeper Ann France 15 b.ca 1846, Leigh, Housekeeper Margaret France 10 b.ca 1851, Leigh Richard Aspinall 20 Boarder Address:- King St East, Front Mary Ann's birth year and place are the same as in the 1851, so it doesn't look as if it is the same Richard France who married Mary Ann Jackson in 1852 .............. unless he was a bigamist!
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 22:17
	from lancs opc ????? Burial: 22 Apr 1859 Emmanuel, Bolton, Lancashire, England Richard France - Age: 49 Abode: Great Bolton Buried by: Wm Stothert Incumbant Source: Microfilm in Bolton Library
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 22:20
	NOW I'm getting confused!! form lancs opc Burial: 16 Feb 1854 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England Mary Ann France - Wife of Richard France Age: 51 Years Abode: Little Bolton Buried by: William Booker Curate Register: Burials 1852 - 1855, Page 160, Entry 1276 Source: LDS Film 1966473 NO .... it can't be the Richard that we've been looking for ............ she was 51 when she died in 1854, so that means she was born in ca 1803. RULE THIS OUT
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,042 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	6 Feb 2017 22:44
	I'm wondering if we have followed the correct Richard France. from FMP Newspapers On the 18th inst., at the Parish Church, Bolton, the Rev. J. Slade, vicar, Mr. Richard France, youngest son of Mr. William France, farmer, of Hindlev, to Mary- Ann, only daughter of Mr. William Hilton, innkeeper 29 February 1840 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: December 2006 Posts: 4,031 Send Message	Mark	Report	7 Feb 2017 12:52
	Thank you all. I shall have a look through all information over to the next few days.

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