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I'm wondering if anyone could help me find my grandfather's birth. His father, Stephen Barry (1844), was born in Ireland and his mother, Annie Elizabeth Steed (1856) who was married three times, was born in Boxford, Suffolk. My older cousins all believe that Jeremiah was born in Ireland and that he had an Irish accent. I have found him on the 1891 census, living with his mother and her second husband, John Goggin. He is listed as Jeremiah Goggin. It says that he was born in Poplar, London, along with his siblings. On his military records, it also says he was born in Poplar, London, but I just can't find the birth. Someone suggested that maybe his mother travelled back to Ireland to have him, but I can't find any travel records for this.

There is a story that is in my family, that my grandfather was Irish and came from Cork or Waterford and was on the run from the IRA and would never have his photo taken. Another story is that we are related to Kevin Barry, who was executed by the British in 1920 for his part in an Irish volunteers operation and that Jeremiah went to his funeral. I don't know if this is the reason why it is so hard to find any records. I also can't find the births for his siblings. There are several Jeremiah Barrys born in Cork, Ireland at about this time, but I am reluctant to order any of the certificates, because I am not sure that he was born in Cork and it is such a shot in the dark.

Can anyone help.

Thank you in advance.

Lynne

1881 for reference only.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
46, Well Street, Poplar, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stephen Barry Head Married Male 37 1844 Dock Lab. Ireland
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Annie Barry Wife Married Female 26 1855 - Boxford, Suffolk, England
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John Barry Son Single Male 3 1878 - Poplar, Middlesex, England
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Betsy Barry Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Poplar, Middlesex, England

Stephen and his mother?


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Well Street, Poplar, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Nora Barry Head - Female 80 1791 - Ireland
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Stephen Barry Son - Male 27 1844 - Ireland

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Elisabeth
Last name Barry
Birth year 1877
Birth date 06 Aug 1877
Baptism year 1877
Baptism date 23 Aug 1877
Church St Mary & St Michael
Parish Commercial Road, Stepney
Diocese Westminster
Deanery Tower Hamlets
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
County Middlesex
Father's first name(s) Stephani
Father's last name Barry
Mother's first name(s) Annae
Mother's last name Steel
Archive Westminster Archdiocesan Archives
Document type Baptisms
Records year range 1877-1884
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Also for our info. He was a boiler scaler. He worked for a Mr Tye, East India Dock Rd, Poplar.


British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

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First name(s) Jeremiah
Last name Barry
Birth year 1884
Birth parish Poplar
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 2309
Regiment -
Year 1901
Attestation date 27 Mar 1901
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 9
Attestation service number 2309
Attestation corps 5th Middx Regt
Document type Attestation

This seems to be the marriage of Stephen & Annie 17 April 1881 but they seem to be on the 81 census which was taken 3 April and they already have 2 children.


Stephen Barry

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Name: Stephen Barry
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Age: 35
Spouse: Annie Elizabeth Steed
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Apr 1881
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Barry
Spouse Father: John Steed
Register Type: Parish Register

The banns? Six years before the marriage?

Stephen Barry

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Name: Stephen Barry
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Age: 29
Spouse: Armie Elizabeth Steed
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 8 Aug 1875
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Earlier banns? Eight years before marriage?

Stephen Berry

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Name: Stephen Berry
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Age: 29
Spouse: Annie Steed
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 19 Oct 1873
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Jeremiah Barry

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Name: Jeremiah Barry
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Age: 18
Spouse: Emily Hearn
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Jul 1902
Parish: St John, Cubitt Town
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Stephen Barry
Spouse Father: Charles Hearn
Register Type: Parish Register

He's a boiler scaler, his father a lighterman, deceased, her father a labourer, deceased. His address 4 Charles Terrace, hers 20 Stewart Terrace.

Jeremiah Barry
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name
Jeremiah Barry
Event Type
Birth
Event Date
Jan - Mar 1884
Event Place
Cork, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year
Jan - Mar 1884
Registration District
Cork
Volume Number
5
Page Number
164

Jeremiah Barry
United Kingdom, Militia Service Records
Name
Jeremiah Barry
Event Type
Military Service
Event Year Range
1806-1915
Event Place
United Kingdom
Birthplace
Middlesex
Birth Year (Estimated)
1884

Jeremiah Barry
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name
Jeremiah Barry
Event Type
Death
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1933
Registration District
Poplar
County
London
Event Place
Poplar, London, England
Age (available after 1866)
49
Birth Year (Estimated)
1884
Volume
1C
Page
356
Line Number
21

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Charles Place, Bromley, Poplar, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Goggins Head Married Male 51 1840 Rigger Ship Middlesex, England
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Mary Ann Goggins Wife Married Female 34 1857 Canvass Maker Middlesex, England
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Margaret Goggins Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Sack Maker Poplar, Middlesex, England
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Annie Goggins Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Poplar, Middlesex, England
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James Goggins Son - Male 14 1877 Boiler Sealer Poplar, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Goggins Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Poplar, Middlesex, England
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Jeremiah Goggins Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Poplar, Middlesex, England

Thanks everybody for your help so far.

Just a quick question, how would I order an Irish birth certificate. Would it be on the www.gro.gov.uk website, the same way I order an English one?

the jeremiah barry born cork 1884

parents are

michael and mary



https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

search civil records

found on family search
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3MLJ-NFF

Jeremiah /Barry/
View Tree
Gender
Male

Birth
3 June 1883
Poplar
Sources
2


Birth
6 March 1883
Poplar
Sources
1
, Database online.
Death
26 November 1933
73a Devons Road, Bow, London, England, United Kingdom

Birth
3 June 1883
Poplar
Sources
2


Other
1 October 1914
Gillingham, Kent

Death
26 November 1933
73a Devons Road, Bow, London, England, United Kingdom

Other
from 1 June 1908 to 31 May 1912
Mill Hill

Other
from 27 March 1907 to 26 March 1908
Mill Hill

Other
07/02/2010 22:16:06
Sources
1
, Database online.
Other
1914
Sources
1
, Database online.
Birth
6 March 1883
Poplar
Sources
1
, Database online.
Marriage
20 July 1902
St John's Church, Poplar


PARENTS
Father
Stephen /Barry/

Mother
Annie Elizabeth /Steed/

MARRIAGES (1)
Spouse
Emily Hannah /Hearn/

Marriage
20 July 1902
St John's Church, Poplar

SOURCES (6)
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 www.ancestry.co.uk : 
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 www.ancestry.co.uk : 
Public Member Trees www.ancestry.co.uk : 
1891 England Census

NOTES (1)
ARMY

Jeremiah Barry joined the army on 1 October 1914 at the age of 31
years and 120 days. He was 5' 4.75" and weighed 135 lbs. His girth,
when fully expanded was 39.5" with a range of expansion of 2". He had
grey eyes and brown hair. He had slight varicose veins on his left
leg, scars on both knees and sailor tattoo on right forearm, heart
etc. tattoo on back of right hand and 2 hearts etc. tattoo on left
forearm. He was Roman Catholic. He was in good health. On 22 Oct
1914 he was sent to France. On 31 Dec 1914 until 10 March 1915 he was
in hospital in France. He was transferred to England on 10 March
1915. On 19 March 1915, he was declared a deserter for going absent
without leave from 19 March until 26 March 1915. On his return he was
then held in civil custody in the detention room awaiting trial on 29
March 1915. He was sentenced to 112 days detention. On 9 July 1915,
he was under guard in the detention room again awaiting trial for
another charge. He was sentenced to 6 months detention for when on
active service, using insubordinate language to his superior officer.
He was discharged for misconduct on 29 Sept 1915.
MARRIAGE

Annie, Jeremiah's mum didn't want him to marry Emily. Apparently, she
was waiting outside the church when they got married with an apron
full of horse s--t to throw at them, instead of confetti. So the
priest had to let them out the back door of the church.
Annie, Jeremiah's mum didn't want him to marry Emily. Apparently, she
was waiting outside the church when they got married with an apron
full of horse s--t to throw at them, instead of confetti. So the
priest had to let them out the back door of the church.

FIGHTS

There were lots and lots of fights when Jeremiah came home drunk. He
only got nasty in drink when he drank Mann & Crossman's beer. Nan
said they made it from old boxing gloves. Any other brewery's beer
and he was fine.

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Jeremiah /Barry/
View Tree
Gender
Male

Birth
3 June 1883
Poplar
Sources
2


Birth
6 March 1883
Poplar
Sources
1
, Database online.
Death
26 November 1933
73a Devons Road, Bow, London, England, United Kingdom

Birth
3 June 1883
Poplar
Sources
2


Other
1 October 1914
Gillingham, Kent

Death
26 November 1933
73a Devons Road, Bow, London, England, United Kingdom

Other
from 1 June 1908 to 31 May 1912
Mill Hill

Other
from 27 March 1907 to 26 March 1908
Mill Hill

Other
07/02/2010 22:16:06
Sources
1
, Database online.
Other
1914
Sources
1
, Database online.
Birth
6 March 1883
Poplar
Sources
1
, Database online.
Marriage
20 July 1902
St John's Church, Poplar


PARENTS
Father
Stephen /Barry/

Mother
Annie Elizabeth /Steed/

MARRIAGES (1)
Spouse
Emily Hannah /Hearn/

Marriage
20 July 1902
St John's Church, Poplar

SOURCES (6)
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 www.ancestry.co.uk : 
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 www.ancestry.co.uk : 
Public Member Trees www.ancestry.co.uk : 
1891 England Census

NOTES (1)
ARMY

Jeremiah Barry joined the army on 1 October 1914 at the age of 31
years and 120 days. He was 5' 4.75" and weighed 135 lbs. His girth,
when fully expanded was 39.5" with a range of expansion of 2". He had
grey eyes and brown hair. He had slight varicose veins on his left
leg, scars on both knees and sailor tattoo on right forearm, heart
etc. tattoo on back of right hand and 2 hearts etc. tattoo on left
forearm. He was Roman Catholic. He was in good health. On 22 Oct
1914 he was sent to France. On 31 Dec 1914 until 10 March 1915 he was
in hospital in France. He was transferred to England on 10 March
1915. On 19 March 1915, he was declared a deserter for going absent
without leave from 19 March until 26 March 1915. On his return he was
then held in civil custody in the detention room awaiting trial on 29
March 1915. He was sentenced to 112 days detention. On 9 July 1915,
he was under guard in the detention room again awaiting trial for
another charge. He was sentenced to 6 months detention for when on
active service, using insubordinate language to his superior officer.
He was discharged for misconduct on 29 Sept 1915.

MARRIAGE

Annie, Jeremiah's mum didn't want him to marry Emily. Apparently, she
was waiting outside the church when they got married with an apron
full of horse s--t to throw at them, instead of confetti. So the
priest had to let them out the back door of the church.

FIGHTS

There were lots and lots of fights when Jeremiah came home drunk. He
only got nasty in drink when he drank Mann & Crossman's beer. Nan
said they made it from old boxing gloves. Any other brewery's beer
and he was fine.

COMING OVER FROM IRELAND

Irene said that her mum, Lily, told her that Jeremiah had told her
that he came over to England as a small boy with his father and
remembered his father holding him up on the boat so that he could see
Ireland as they left the coast for the last time. So he must have
been very young. He never went back there. However, according to
Jeremiah's army records, he was born in Poplar. I have found his
father on the 1871 and 1881 censuses. Jeremiah was born in 1883/4 and
I have found him on the 1891 census, so either his family travelled
over to Ireland between 1881 and 1883/4 and he was born there and then
they came back before 1889, when his father died in Poplar. Or they
went over for a holiday after he was born. I can't find his birth
certificate, so could he have been born in Ireland?

According to Irene, her mum said that Jeremiah had the most beautiful
auburn coloured hair and that when he washed it it was the colour of a
new penny, but then he would put brill-cream on it and that made it
appear dark.

MEDICINES

Apparently, Jeremiah used to make a lot of medicines and would always
be the one to look after the children when they were sick. He
obviously had been taught lots of recipes from someone that had some
sort of homeopathic knowledge.

I hesitate to post what I've been reading on Jeremiah's military records but he seems to have been a "bad dude". His whole record seems to be one of being charged with being absent without leave, desertion and using insubordinate language to his superior officers. He was finally discharged in 1915 for misconduct and his character awarded on discharge was bad.

The records do however have the birthdates of his children. Do you have them? Want them?

Thanks safc for that. At least I won't order that birth certificate.

Malyon, all the notes you have found are from my own family tree, but thanks.

MargaretM I have his military records and know all of this and I have his children's birth dates. Thank you anyway. I know he doesn't sound very nice. I have also found a trial at the Old Bailey on 26 Jun 1905. The age is slightly different, so not sure if it is him, but it does seem likely. This was also mentioned in a book called the Gangs of London, by Brian McDonald.

I wish I could say something nice about him, but as he died in 1933 and I was born in 1964, I don't know much. The only thing I can say is that my mum never said anything bad about him and seemed to love him.

Lynne

would you like me delete the post I put on about jeremiah