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AustinQ no all the children have not been followed through to 1911. I would not worry about these too much it was Eliza born 1823 that I was particularly interested in.

Thank you to everybody who has helped.

John

I haven't forgotten this search- just getting no where fast!

the possibilities of surnames for Chattenton is a challenge- that's the polite term, but I'm thinking blooming nightmare is more apt. :-

Chattenton
Chatterton
Chattenden
Chitterton
Chittenden etc....

Have all the children now been followed through to the 1911 census?

I'll be around tomorrow morning- a fresh head might find something.

whoops!

For info, this seems to be him in earlier years

1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Chellonda
Birth: abt 1831 - Greenwich, Kent, England
Residence: Bexley, Kent

1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Chatterington
Birth: abt 1831 - Kent, England
Residence: Bexley, Bexley, Kent, England

but 1861 ... ?

Possibilities in military records.

JoonieCloonie there was a Thomas Chattenton living with an Eliza that AustinQ posted the details of at 9:43 this morning.

I wondered whether there actually was a Mr Chatterton in the picture who would then (possibly) be the father of the later child.

The only reasonable candidate anywhere in the vicinity whom I could find in 1861 was:

Name: James Chatterton
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: 1827
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Artillery Barracks

In 1881 and 1891 he is a boarder with his sister in Lincolnshire, shown as single.

In 1901 and 1911 he is a Chelsea inpensioner, shown as widowed.

1901

Name: James Chatterton (widower)
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation to Head: Inpensioner
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Fishtoft, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital

and now I'm blamed if I can find him in 1911 again, which should be easy, since it certainly was last night.

and can't find a suitable death.

EDIT

I obviously dreamt the 1911.

Deaths Jun 1904
CHATTERTON James 77 Chelsea 1a 238

Actually I misremembered.

He is recorded as single in Lincolnshire boarding with his sister in 1871 and 1881.

He is recorded as single in 1891 and widowed in 1901 as an inpensioner.

Name: James Chatterton
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Gender: Male
Where born: Leek, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital


FMP has a service record for him

Chatterton James born 1827 — date 1844 British Army Service Records
born Fishtoft, Boston, Lincolnshire, England

but my sub has expired.

Just back- I need some lunch, and I have a few more things to do, but just noticed the birth and death of another child after John's death:

Birth
BOX, (female) (Mother's maiden name: SPICKETT)
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 275

Death
BOX, (female) age: 0
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 161

Hello Maddie

This is the post I was looking at from yesterday.
I agree that this post today is more likely.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Addington Place, Lambeth, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter Brown Head - Male 29 1842 - Hampshire, England
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Emily Brown Wife - Female 32 1839 - Hampshire, England
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Alfred Charles Boarder - Male 24 1847 - Surrey, England
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Henry W Smith Boarder - Male 27 1844 - Middlesex, England
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George Box Boarder - Male 18 1853 - Kent, England

1871
he is a bakers journeyman


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Eastbourn Terrace, Lee, Lewisham, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William James Galloway Head - Male 37 1834 - Middlesex, England
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Phoebe Galloway Wife - Female 35 1836 - Middlesex, England
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Phoebe Galloway Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Middlesex, England
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William Thomas Galloway Son - Male 7 1864 - Middlesex, England
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Archibald Renton Galloway Son - Male 5 1866 - Middlesex, England
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Louisa Janet Galloway Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Middlesex, England
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Edith Marion Galloway Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Middlesex, England
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Frank Kennard Galloway - - Male 0 1871 - Kent, England
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Hannah Hayman Servant - Female 34 1837 - Middlesex, England
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Louisa Green Servant - Female 60 1811 - Middlesex, England
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Emma Wodin Servant - Female 21 1850 - Kent, England
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George Wheeler Servant - Male 30 1841 - Surrey, England
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Henry Moore Servant - Male 26 1845 - Norfolk, England
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George Bartram Servant - Male 17 1854 - Middlesex, England
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George Box Servant - Male 15 1856 - Kent, England

Maddie your post at 16:53 yesterday re George Box you state that he was also a baker in 1871.

I had a look at the image and it says occupation messenger in ? factory.

AustinQ I wonder if that is her, birthplace is wrong and year slightly out.

I can find n/t of a marriage between Thomas and Eliza, so maybe they weren't married.

Just as a matter of interest The Odd Fellows Arms (still there) and the Dartford workhouse are about 100 yards from each other.

Posting these as a 'just in case':

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
West Hill Odd Fellows Arms, Dartford, Kent, England

Richard Sayers Head - Male 49 1822 - Kent, England
Olive Sayers Wife - Female 38 1833 - Kent, England
James Taylor Boarder - Male 26 1845 - Kent, England
Robert Lincoln Boarder - Male 42 1829 - Essex, England
Thomas Chattenton Boarder Married Male 39 1832 Labourer Bexley Kent,
Eliza Chatterton Boarder Married Female 52 1819 Maidstone, Kent,
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1881: (now appears not married)
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Chattenden
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 55
Birth year 1826
Occupation General Laborer
Birth town Greenwich
Birth town as transcribed GREENWICH
Birth county Kent
House name Dartford Union Workhouse
Street Dartford
Parish Dartford
County Kent
Registration district Dartford
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 868 Folio 105 Page 7
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Don't have time to stay around this morning, but will have another look later.

I was thinking of Eliza 1823.

I cannot find a death, re-marriage or census record for her.

She goes from Eliza Box in 1851 to Eliza Chattenton (check spelling) in 1861 after her husband dies in 1859.

Don't think Eliza Snr. has been found after 1861. As her youngest children were in the workhouse in 1871, it would appear likely that she had died. She herself may have been in the workhouse or even remarried and left the girls in the workhouse until she could offer them a home with her.

John are you thinking of daughter Eliza in 1871?

Name: Eliza Box
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Inmate
ED, institution, or vessel: Sevenoaks Union Workhouse

daughter Ann Box was in the same institution

Thank you for everybodies help.

Unless I have missed it though have we found the mother Eliza after 1861?

Harriett Box
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Jun 1818
Christening Place BRASTED, KENT, ENGLAND
Father's Name John Box
Mother's Name Sarah
Citing this Record

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

johns sister and parents

Name: Faith Box
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 1824
Baptism Place: Brasted, Kent, England
Father: John Box
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 1469315


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chevening Street, Chevening, Sevenoaks, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Box Male 60 1781 -------- a carpenter
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Sarah Box Female 60 1781 -
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Faith Box Female 15 1826 Kent, England


1851
Chevening Village, Chevening, Sevenoaks, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Multon Wearrener Head Married Male 22 1829 Ag Lab Chevening, Kent, England
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Sarah Wearrener Wife Married Female 31 1820 Wife Of Ag Lab West Grinstead, Sussex, England
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Mary Wearrener Daughter - Female 1 1850 Daur Chevening, Kent, England
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John Box - - Male 70 1781 Carpenter Sussex, England

Name Faith Box
Event Type Burial
Event Date 12 May 1842
Event Place Chevening, Kent, England
Age 18
Birth Year (Estimated) 1824
Volume 4

There was also a son James. Perhaps he died before the 1861 census?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

BOX, JAMES SPICKETT
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 303


EDIT

Yes, he died Aged 3 months

Deaths
BOX, JAMES 3
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 233

John - compulsary registration of births didn't come in to effect until 1873. Unitl then it was up to the Registrar to visit the villages to ask if there had been any births and to persuade the parents to register them.
Many parents didn't bother or only had their children baptised so that there was an 'offical' record.

John Box
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Jun 1852
Baptism Place: Chevening,Kent,England
Father: John Box
Mother: Eliza
FHL Film Number: 0992460, 0992461

Name: John Box
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 May 1821
Christening Place: Brasted, Kent, England
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Father: John Box
Mother: Sarah Box
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detective - just posed in case relevent somewhere
anearlier child maybe