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I meant to say, looks like Maddie sussed out Elizabeth Whitfield too.

Good thing, since she's the only known parent of Henry!


If Henry is a direct ancestor and you feel like spending a bit of money and time, there is always DNA testing.

If there is a direct male-line descendant of Henry available -- his son's son's son... -- that would be the best test, called YDNA.

The idea is that a match might be found who is descended from the same man as Henry, back however many generations. For instance, it could be somebody descended from Henry's father's great-grandfather. And that could give you a surname to investigate -- since, coincidentally, surnames in our culture follow the YDNA down the male line.

YDNA is passed from father to son to grandson and so on down, with very few changes over many generations.

But finding a match depends on somebody with a shared ancestor actually having tested.

(This is more likely to happen if someone in the other line emigrated to the US, because that is where most people who test are now. That is how I found a match with my grandfather's family: the man who matched was the elderly grandson, in the US, of a man from the same part of Cornwall as my grandfather, who had emigrated in the mid-1800s.)

It is the key that can unlock the mystery of unknown fathers, such as very many of us have in our trees. But only if there is a male-line descendant to test, and only if someone whose DNA holds the key does the test too. That could happen now, or years in the future!

Wow
It has been amazing all the info you all have found
I will try the Webb Site you have given me

I will read through all the info and piece it together
Thankyou all so much
Olive

MARROTT, EDWARD CHARLES looks like Charles Edward for sure -- and with no mother's surname recorded.

I thought I'd been trying alternate spellings ...

and

MARROTT, WILLIAM GEORGE - mother's surname blank
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 266


if Elizabeth was not giving her birth surname, she may have been representing herself as a single woman and not naming the child's father.


this birth showing the mother's surname confirms the MARROTT spelling

MARROTT, CAROLINE mother WHITFIELD
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 309
(died in infancy)

This 'may' be the Charles Edward Marriott birth if first and second names reversed

MARROTT, EDWARD CHARLES - Order
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 274


Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920

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Name: Charles Marriott
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1863
Birth Place: Corby Lincoln
Service Start Year: 1884
Regiment: Royal Artillery
Regimental Number: 40784
Attestation Paper: Yes



1911

Name: Charles Marriott
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bourne, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Portswood
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County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Southbourne, Manor Farm Rd, Bitterne Park, Southampton, Hants
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carpenter And Joiner
Registration district: Southampton
Registration District Number: 99
Sub-registration district: Southampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 96
Piece: 5935
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Marriott 50
Lily Marriott 33 ( *nee Dean)
George Marriott 8
Ethel Marriott 2

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Dean Lily Ellen S.Stoneham 2c 163
Marriott Charles S. Stoneham 2c 163

John Whitfield
Gender Male
Christening Date 1790
Christening Place SWINSTEAD, LINCOLN, ENGLAND
Father's Name John Whitfield
Mother's Name Agnes

1861
John Whitfield
County Lincolnshire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Swinstead, Lincolnshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish Bellister
Registration District Bourn
Gender Male
Age 70
Marital Status Married
Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1791
Birthplace Swinstead, Lincolnshire
Page Number 14
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 2315 / 31
John Whitfield Head M 70 Swinstead, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Whitfield Wife F 69 Aslackby, Lincolnshire
Eliza Pawlett Niece F 23 Spalding, Lincolnshire

John Whitefield
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Morley
Event Date 21 Oct 1822
Event Place Swinstead, Lincoln, England
Citing this Record

Name: John Whitfield
Gender: Male
Age: 78
Birth Date: 1790
Burial Date: 9 Aug 1868
Burial Place: Lincoln, England
FHL Film Number: 1450486

Elizabeth Whitfield
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1868
Registration District Bourne
County Lincolnshire
Event Place Bourne, Lincolnshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 78
Birth Year (Estimated) 1790
Volume 7A
Page 173
Line Number 123

a possible
1841
Name: Elizabeth Wetfield
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Swinstead
Hundred: Beltisloe
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Bourne
Sub-registration district: Corby
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 622
Book: 30
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wetfield 50
Elizabeth Wetfield 50
Jane Wetfield 15
Elizabeth Wetfield 11 ---------------------
Sarah Wetfield 9
Eliza Wetfield 6
John Wetfield 3

I would get Henry 1875's first marriage certificate out of curiosity.

'Henry Marriott Widower father ---Marriott deceased'

edited - sorry, I misread that first as his father being Henry Marriott.

So father was '--- Marriott' i.e. no name.

He didn't know his father's name and it is 99% certain it was not Marriott. :-)

Olive Jean, there is a new search facility at the GRO

(I didn't know until someone explained it clearly here!)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Pick births.

The problems is ... you have to have a surname, with at least an approximate spelling.

When you know who the mother was but not how the birth was registered, this is no help.

It also only allows searches in five-year periods. The easiest way to do it is start with, say, 1850 +/- 2 years. Then go to 1855 +/- 2 years. That way you have covered 1848 to 1852 and 1853 to 1858.

But ... you also have to specify Female or Male each time.

So it gets a bit tedious and slow.

For marriages, just Freebmd, no?

Or did you mean other info from the certificate or parish record? That, I don't know ...

Hi everyone
I found the Immigration on Family Search org
Then yesterday in the local library I found it on Ancestry co uk
I have the Marriage for -------
Henry Marriott born 1875 Bourn --Death 1958 Nottingham is whom I have been searching

On his marriage to Catherine Bowman 1919 Nottingham
Henry Marriott Widower father ---Marriott deceased
Catherine Elizabeth Bowman Spinster Father William Bowman Deceased

But Henry was married to Louisa Grainger born 1879 --1915
Marriage 1902 Nottingham
But I havnt sent for the marriage

Have found all his children of both Marriages

I have been searching his Mother born Elizabeth Withfield born 1831 Swinstead Lincs
You have all been helpful even found Elizabeth Marriott in the Local Lincolnshire Papers

I wonder how you all manage to find the break down of the
Births and Marriages

Thankyou all agian
Olive

Just for info, people were absolutely not deported to the USA in the 1800s, or really anytime.

The US was an independent country after 1776 and certainly did not accept other countries' deportees!


I would think it quite possible that Charles abandoned Eizabeth - or perhaps at least equally possible, that she had left him for another man.

In 1861 she was a widow with young children

Elizabeth Marriott 30
Jane E Marriott 8
Sarah H Marriott 6
Eliza E Marriott 4

but 20 years later, she was still a widow, with children born after 1861

Elizabeth Marriott 50
Charles Ed. Marriott 18
William Geo. Marriott 14
Mary Jane Marriott 10
Henry Marriott 7


do you know whom any of the children, especially the younger ones, named as their father on their own marriage certificates?


malyon posted baptism records for Sarah 1855 and Eliza 1857

but I am not seeing matching birth records

None of the children at all seem to have been registered, at least as Marriott.

ah, wait, here's the last one, then working backward

MARRIOTT, HENRY mother WHITFIELD
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 327

MARRIOTT, MARY JANE mother blank
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 329

(the two Nyx posted earlier)


but

No William Marriott c1867
No Charles Marriott c1863
etc.


Elizabeth may have had a partner at the time the older children were born and they were registered in his name?

but checking some of the possible births with the right given names (e.g. Charles Edward Hubbard) against the new GRO index showing surnames, none shows Whitfield as the mother (or Marriott, in case she was being a little liberal with the truth)

Seems possible they simply weren't registered, since it wasn't compulsory until 1874.

Not found it Olive do you know what site the record was on?

EDIT it's on Familysearch. the child Ann died in 'Scilly' I think it says


Joseph Mariott
New York Passenger Lists
Name Joseph Mariott
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1853
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 11
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace Gt Britain
Ship Name Connecticut

Did anyone else find the Immigration of 1853 to America
Thankyou
Olive

More likely to be economic emigration I think ?

Maybe Thomas Marriott was deported for a reason ??
Olive

Thank you for your reply,s
Olive

I think it's likely that Charles went, and that either he returned to father the children or that Elizabeth went on to have the children my someone else, but kept her married name.

Hi
I agree it doesn't make sence
But all the children are mentioned on the Immigration off 1853
Maybe the father was convicted

The was a contact who gave the info that the Family had gone to America

Thankyou for looking for me
Olive

Charles Marriott
mentioned in the record of Eliza Emma Marriott
Name
Charles Marriott
Sex
Male
Wife
Elizabeth
Daughter
Eliza Emma Marriott
Other information in the record of Eliza Emma Marriott
from England Births and Christenings
Name
Eliza Emma Marriott
Gender
Female
Christening Date
12 Jul 1857
Christening Place
SWINSTEAD, LINCOLN, ENGLAND
Father's Name
Charles Marriott
Mother's Name
Elizabeth

Charles Marriott
mentioned in the record of Sarah Ann Marriott
Name
Charles Marriott
Sex
Male
Wife
Elizabeth
Daughter
Sarah Ann Marriott
Other information in the record of Sarah Ann Marriott
from England Births and Christenings
Name
Sarah Ann Marriott
Gender
Female
Christening Date
25 Mar 1855
Christening Place
Creeton, Lincoln, England
Father's Name
Charles Marriott
Mother's Name
Elizabeth

MARRIOTT, HENRY WHITFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 327


Henry Marriott
in the 1881 England Census
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Name: Henry Marriott
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Elizabeth Marriott
Gender: Male
Where born: Corby, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Corby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: The Terrace
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Bourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3195
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Marriott 50
Charles Ed. Marriott 18
William Geo. Marriott 14
Mary Jane Marriott 10
Henry Marriott 7

Some of the above children are in the workhouse 1871 with Elizabeth, who is listed as a widow

Name: Charles Marriott
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Corby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Bourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Town: Bourne
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Bourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 119
Piece: 3314
Folio: 75
Page Number: 26


? MARRIOTT, MARY JANE - Order
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in BOURN Volume 07A Page 329