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I Am searching for John Ormond Duff born Scotland 1858. married Rachel Ainsley Wilson born 1869 Northumberland. Unable to locate further information about their pasts. And when they dief. Family story conection to Baxters Soup people and Johns family in the Wine and Spirits trade. Not sure how correct as only rumours. I know they had at least 3 childrenThanks

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John Ormond Duff

Name: John Ormond Duff
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Perth, Scotland
Civil Parish: Ashington and Hirst
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County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 3 Cooperative Villas Hirst Northumberland
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Morpeth
Registration District Number: 564
Sub-registration district: Ashington
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 31038
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ormond Duff 52
Rachael Duff 43
John Ormond Duff 22
Wilson Anisley Duff 8


John Duff

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Name: John Duff
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rachael Duff
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
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Piece: 4196
Folio: 123
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
John Duff 33
Rachael Duff 24
John O Duff 1

1901
Name: John Duff
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rachael Duff
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Gateshead
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Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4757
Folio: 178
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members:
Name Age
John Duff 44
Rachael Duff 32
John Duff 11
Helen Duff 8
William Duff 5

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Name: John O Duff
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Jun 1921
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Morpeth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 464

Name: Rachel Duff
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Dec 1918
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Morpeth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 864

No John Ormond Duff birth showing on Scotlandspeople.

Do you have his marriage certificate please? Does he name his father on it?

No marriage cert only their names on daughter Ellen ( Eleanor) McGregor Duff marriage to Neil Coffield. Eleanor and Neil went to Canada about 1918 with their daughter. Thanks

RACHEL
Last name WILSON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1889
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ RACHEL WILSON married one of these people
Thomas Atherstone Mann, John Ormond Duff
District Gateshead
District number -
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Page 1180
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kinnoul Street, Perth, Burgh of Perth, Perthshire, Scotland

William Duff Head Married Male 25 1836 Concirtina Maker & Cotton Weaver Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Isabella M Duff Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
John Duff Son Unmarried Male 5 1856 - Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Joseph Duff Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 - Perth, Perthshire, Scotland

Rachel Wilson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Dunston, Whickham, Durham, England
Enumeration District 5
Gender Female
Age 4
Marital Status Unmarried
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace Wallsend, Northumberland
Entry Number 25
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5064/0027
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
John Wilson Head M 33 Seghill, Northumberland
Mary Wilson Wife F 34 Darlington, Durham
Ann Wilson Daughter F 11 Backworth, Northumberland
Elizabeth Wilson Daughter F 9 Houghton Le Spring, Durham
Rachel Wilson Daughter F 4 Wallsend, Northumberland
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"England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch

Although his birth year possibiy shows as 1856 it could be he was born mid to late. 1855

Scottish bmds didn't start till 1855 so his birth could just have missed the start of registration

Bless thankyou so much.

as per rootgathers census

William Duff
gender Male
Wife Isabella Mc Gregor
Son John Duff

from Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name John Duff
Gender Male
Birth Date 18 Apr 1856
Birthplace PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Duff
Mother's Name Isabella Mc Gregor

Joseph Duff
Gender Male
Birth Date 11 Aug 1859
Birthplace PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Duff
Mother's Name Isabella Mc Gregor

Isabella Duff
Gender Female
Birth Date 14 Jun 1867
Birthplace SCONE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Duff
Mother's Name Isabella Mcgregor

Jane Ower Duff --------------------------------------
Gender Female
Birth Date 24 Aug 1871
Birthplace SCONE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Duff
Mother's Name Isabella Mcgregor
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William Duff
Spouse's Name Isabella Mcgregor
Event Date 01 Dec 1854
Event Place Perth,Perth,Scotland
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"Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch

Name: Jane O Duff
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: William Duff
Mother's name: Isabella Duff
Gender: Female
Where born: Scone, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church
County: Perthshire
Address: Oakbank Cottage
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 281
LINE: 15
Roll: cssct1881_109
Household Members:
Name Age
William Duff 45
Isabella Duff 50
William M Duff 11
Cecilia Duff 19
Margaret Duff 15
Isabella Duff 13
Jane O Duff 9
George Buchanan 25
John Campbell 20

Deborah, There are quite a few John Duffs born in Perthshire between 1885 and 1860. I think you need to buy his marriage certificate to see who he gives, if any for his father.

Thankyou for your help. X

Oops! That should have said between 1855 and 1860.

William Duff and Isabella McGregor didn't marry until 1854.

Unless they had any children born before they married, all births should be on statutory records.

William Duff
Spouse's Name Isabella Mcgregor
Event Date 01 Dec 1854
Event Place Perth,Perth,Scotland
However, this couple does not look right for the parents of John Ormond Duff.....

1891-1911 censuses for John O Duff and wife Rachael are posted above.
This man was a weighman/ coalminer/ Shop ?

John, the son of William and Isabella is still in Perth and is a Dyer
He is at home with his parents, his wife and child from his 1st marriage


1891: 35 Queen Street
Name Age
William Duff 56
Isabella Duff 60
Isabella Duff 25
Jane Duff 19
William M Duff 21
*****John Duff 34 DYER b Perth
*****Jessie Duff 44 Daughter in law. B Dumfries
*****William Duff 13 Grandson

child named William was the son of John Duff and Jessie MacLeod who married in
Stoer, Sutherland in 1876.
Jessie died in 1878 and their son can be found with his maternal grandfather in Stoer, at 1881
John Duff remarried Jessie Milligan in Dumfries 1881.


1901: Abbey Road, Scone

John Duff 44 DYER b Perth
Jessie Duff 53 wife b Dumfries

Jessie Duff other name Milligan died in Scone in 1904

As previously stated, the Duff/Wilson marriage cert will be required for the father's name and occupation

John ormond duff married rachel ainsley wilson. She was from northumberland. Thats all i know abot him.

John ormond duff married rachel ainsley wilson. She was from northumberland. Thats all i know abot him.

Deborah, you really need to buy a copy of the marriage certificate to see if he gave details of his father. That really is the only way to trace his line further back.

There is no recorded birth for a John Duff with that middle name but quite a few options with no middle name. He may even have been registered with that middle name as a surname if he was illegitimate. Or Duff may have been his mother's name but he knew who his father was and added his surname as a middle name. Either way, you need that marriage certificate to have any hope of trace the correct family.

Bless thankyou for your help. Xx