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1 Jun 2017 07:43 |
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Good morning all
I am trying to trace Lucy Hannah Flear's family I have her birth cert born 9th Jan 1874 in Lincoln Lincs her parents are William Flear and Hannah Lawrence
Her mother died in 1878 when Lucy was about 4y old.
On her marriage cert to James Neal 12th Sept 1908 father William
My problem is
1) What happened to her after the death of her mother in 1878.
2) What happened to William did he marry again.
She had one daughter Elsie May Neal (my mother in law)
There are several trees on Ancestry but they all have her father as Joseph a milkman
Thankyou Christine
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Dea
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1 Jun 2017 07:51 |
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Joseph was her Uncle !! - Apologies - I have set us off on the wrong track here - as later pointed out (thank you Gwyn) , he was in fact her COUSIN !!!
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Swithin Passage, Lincoln St Swithin, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Flear Head Married Male 31 1850 Drayman Lincolnshire, England
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Jane Flear Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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Lucy H Flear Cousin Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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Arthur W Flear Lodger Single Male 24 1857 Blacksmith New Holkham, Norfolk, England
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1 Jun 2017 07:53 |
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
70, Baggeholme Road, Lincoln St Swithin, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Flear Head Married Male 51 1850 Dairyman Lincolnshire, England
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Sarah Flear Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
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Lucy H Flear Adopted Single Female 27 1874 Bookkeeper Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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William Wadham Brother-In-Law - Male 12 1889 At School Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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1 Jun 2017 08:04 |
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Mistranscribed here.....
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Klear Head Married Male 41 1850 Manager Dairy Company Lincolnshire, England
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Jane Klear Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Lincoln
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Lucy H Klear Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - Lincoln
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Edith Mercer Visitor - Female 8 1883 - Bradford
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Lottiesgran
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1 Jun 2017 08:22 |
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Thanks Dea
So if Joseph is her uncle he should be brother to William.
Looks like Joseph remarried after Jane to a Sarah
This line is getting complicated
Do you know if there would adoption records ?
Christine
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1 Jun 2017 08:22 |
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Was there an occupation for William on that marriage cert please?
Do we know anything else about him - age etc ?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Jun 2017 08:22 |
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Wonder if her father remarried
Marriages Dec 1879
FLEAR William Lincoln 7a 1026
HOWDEN EMMA Lincoln 7a 1026
POWELL Leonard Lincoln 7a 1026
Smith Louisa Emily Lincoln 7a. 1026
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1 Jun 2017 08:24 |
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There was no 'official' adoption before about 1927 so this would have been an unofficial adoption - no papers etc.
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1 Jun 2017 08:31 |
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Christine
Official adoption didn't start till 1927 so any before then would be a private arrangement between the parties. More like long term fostering but the child would be considered as family
How old was William on the marriage cert .have you loacated him on earlier census
There must be a reason why Lucy went to live with other family
Have you looked for a death for William
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1 Jun 2017 08:38 |
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William Flear married Hannah Lawrence 6th April 1873 Baptist Chapel Lincoln he was 21y old a Railway Booking Clerk s/o William Flear a Tailor
On the birth cert for Lucy H Flear Railway Clerk
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1 Jun 2017 08:45 |
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Hannah Flear nee Lawrence died 1878 buried Canwick Road Lincoln in the same grave are two children
Betsy Ann Flear about 4y buried 1878
William Henry Flear about 1y also buried 1878
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Gwyn in Kent
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1 Jun 2017 08:47 |
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Joseph an uncle ?............or cousin ?
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1 Jun 2017 08:48 |
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So that William married Louisa Emily
1881 census
Name: William Flear
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Louisa Emily Flear
Gender: Male
Where born: St Botolph, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Lincoln
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 3 Napoleon Cottages
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Clerk Time Keeper Iron Works
Registration district: Lincoln
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3241
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Flear 29
Louisa Emily Flear 27
Rose Ellen Flear aged 6 months
1901 census
Name: William Flear
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Louisa E Flear
Birth Place: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Altrincham
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Ecclesiastical parish: Altrincham St George
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:machine storekeeper
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Bucklow
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3321
Folio: 45
Page Number: 23
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members:
Name Age
William Flear 49
Louisa E Flear 47
Rose E Flear 20
George H Flear 19
Alfred H Flear 17
John C Simms 29
1911 census
Name: William Flear
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Altrincham
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County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 49 Woodfield Rd Altrincham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Clerk - engineering works
Registration district: Bucklow
Registration District Number: 445
Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 21524
Household Members:
Name Age
William Flear 58
Louisa Emily Flear 56
Rose Allen Flear 30
George Willie Flear 28
So he seems to be consistently a clerk of some description
Married 30 years 10 children born only 4 still living
Name: Alfred Henry S Flear
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Lincoln
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Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 509
Alfred Henry S Flear
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Bucklow
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 126
Edit George Willie is in fact George Herbert
Name: George H Flear
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Jun 1958
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Warrington
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 685
Will
George Herbert Flear
Death Date: 6 Jun 1958
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 18 Aug 1958
Registry: Manchester, Chester, England
Admin to Harriet Flear widow
Marriages Sep 1920
Flear George H Shuker Nantwich 8a 976
Shuker Harriett Flear Nantwich 8a 976
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1 Jun 2017 08:56 |
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1871 England Census
Name: William Flear
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Flear
Mother's name: Lucy Flear
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Martin
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Town: Lincoln
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lincoln
Sub-registration district: Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 240
Piece: 3374
Folio: 108
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
William Flear 51. Occ tailor >>>>>>>>>>
Lucy Flear 60
William Flear 19 occ railway clerk
Betsy Flear 23
James Sidney Milner 32
William Paul Riggall 46
Mary Ann Briggs 17
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Gwyn in Kent
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1 Jun 2017 08:58 |
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A Betsy Ann and a William Henry were both registered with mother's maiden name LAWRENCE
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Lottiesgran
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1 Jun 2017 09:02 |
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Thankyou all for your help I will catch up later today.
Thankyou
Christine
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1 Jun 2017 09:19 |
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VIEW England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Louise E Flear
Birth Date: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jun 1929
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: South Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 294
Louise Emily Flear
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: abt 1854
Death Date: abt 1929
Burial Date: 15 Jun 1929
Burial Place: Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section: X
Grave Number: 1183
Deaths Mar 1932
Flear William 79 Manchester S. 8d 26
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Lottiesgran
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2 Jun 2017 11:27 |
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Thankyou all for your help
Christine
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Chris Ho :)
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3 Jun 2017 07:23 |
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Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church name Cemeter
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 24 Jan 1878
Person age 25
Burial person forename Hannah
Burial person surname FLEAR
Burial person abode Sheffield,Normanton St YKS
Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place (Lincoln
Church name Cemeter
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 09 Mar 1878
Person age 3
Burial person forename Betsy Ann
Burial person surname FLEAR
Burial person abode Bethel Placde,St Mary le Wigford
Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church name Cemeter
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 26 Sep 1878
Person age 1
Burial person forename William Henry
Burial person surname FLEAR
Burial person abode Bethel Place,St Mary le Wigford
Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Grimsby
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 937
Baptism date 10 Jun 1877
Birth date 14 May 1877
Person forename William Henry
Person sex M
Person abode New Garden Street, Grimsby
Father forename William
Father surname FLEAR
Father occupation Clerk
Mother forename Hannah
Register note Ceremony by Robt Ainslie
Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Lincoln
Church name Cemeter
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 21 Mar 1896
Person age 43
Burial person forename Jane
Burial person surname FLEAR
Burial person abode St Martin,High St
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
(from above link)
Chris :)
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&
(above link has Manchester)
http://www.lincolnshire-wolds.org/all-lincolnshire/1451.htm
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2 Oct 2018 09:14 |
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Didn't know if to continue on this thread or start a new one, but this has a bit of info that may be useful
Joseph Flear born Washingborough Lincoln
My problem is there are two Joseph Flears one born 1849 the other 1850
The Joseph I want is the one who adopted Lucy Hannah Flear (as above) and father to Doris Lucy Flear
I have a marriage for Joseph 27/05/1897 Wesleyan Chapel Lincoln to Sarah Read father Ephriam a blacksmith which I thought was the my Joseph but now I have come across several trees on here and Ancestry they all have his father as Wilson Flear
So now I'm confused as I thought I was correct but all these tree can't be wrong ?
I hope all this makes sense as these Flears seem very complicated
Thank you Christine
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