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Updated - struggling with Albert William Smart

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Squeaky020

Squeaky020 Report 7 Jun 2017 17:53

Hello All,

Please see last post ....

Elizabeth Bisp was born 1861 in Winterbourne in Gloucestershire.
Married Albert Smart on 23 July 1882 in Winterbourne
Had 8 children
Bertha
Florence
Ethel
Hannah
Lily
Alice
Arthur
Hilda

Died in 1942 in Gloucestershire.
Found her in all other Census returns,

CANNOT find her in the 1939...........

Any help would be appreciated!

:-)

lostmeboardname

lostmeboardname Report 7 Jun 2017 19:48

Had a look but cant find her :-(

Researching:
Feakes (Worcestershire) Kirby (Worcestershire)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Jun 2017 19:54

Had all her children married . Was her husband still alive

She isn't showing

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

Kay????

Kay???? Report 7 Jun 2017 21:03

ELIZABETH
Last name SMART
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year **1863**
Age 79
Death quarter 1
Death year 1942
District Sodbury
County Gloucestershire
Volume 6A
Page 452
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain.


A widow?


Parish Household (4 People)
123 Frome Road , Trowbridge U.D., Wiltshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Elizabeth Smart 06 Feb 1863 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Winifred (D) Parish 25 Sep 1909 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Graham Parish 03 Jun 1937 Under School Age
Anthony Parish 02 Aug 1939 Under School Age

malyon

malyon Report 7 Jun 2017 21:45

Marriages Sep 1882   (>99%)

Bish
 Elizabeth
 
 Barton Regis
 6a
309
  
Smart
 Alfred William
 
 Barton R.
 6a
309

malyon

malyon Report 7 Jun 2017 22:12

Deaths Jun 1903   (>99%)

Smart
 Albert William
 37
 Gloucester
 6a
189

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Jun 2017 22:37

Winifred isn't Elizabeth Bish/Smart's daughter, but may still be related.

Her birth from GRO
SMART, WINIFRED DORIS mmn HULBERT
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in MELKSHAM Volume 05A Page 107

Marriage from FreeBMD
Dec 1931
Parish William H Smart Melksham 5a 277
Smart Winifred D. Parish. Melksham. 5a. 277

As a check, Graham Parish's birth
Births Sep 1937 (>99%)
Parish Graham Smart. Trowbridge 5a 150

Anthony's
Births Sep 1939 (>99%)
Parish Anthony Smart Trowbridge 5a 238

Researching:
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Choccy

Choccy Report 7 Jun 2017 22:45

??


1939 Register

Smart Household (2 People)

Winterbourne Hill , Sodbury R.D., Gloucestershire, England


Hannah Smart 25 Apr 1887 Female Daily Domestic Single 146 2
>>>>>Elizabeth Smart 20 Dec 1869 Female Incapacitated Widowed 146 1


living next door to daughter Hilda?


1939 Register

Lurton Household (3 People)

Winterbourne Hill , Sodbury R.D., Gloucestershire, England


Alexander Lurton 14 Jun 1896 Male Riveter Aeroplane Works Married 145 1
Hilda Lurton 29 Feb 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 145 2
Ronald Lurton 26 May 1919 Male Fitter Aeroplane Works Single 145 3


Marriages Dec 1918

Luton Alexander Smart Chipping Sodbury 6A 528
Smart Hilda Luton Chipping S 6a 528


SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Jun 2017 00:29

It looks as though Elizabeth's surname got badly mistranscribed on GRO, but this looks like Hannah's birth registration as barton Regis is the registration district that includes Winterbourne ......

SMART, HANNAH mmn BLISS
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 182

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Jun 2017 00:34

Albert was still alive in 1911, so the death found by Malyon is wrong!

1911 Census

Albert Smart 52
Elizabeth Smart 48
Hannah Smart 24 b.ca 1887
Alice Smart 18
Hilda Smart 13

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Choccy

Choccy Report 8 Jun 2017 06:24


England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name Alfred W Smart

Birth Date abt 1860

Date of Registration Mar 1934

Age at Death 74

Registration district Chipping Sodbury

Inferred County Gloucestershire

Volume 6a

Page 304



Report of funeral given in the Western Daily Press dated 5th March 1934 which includes a list of principal mourners


http://tinyurl.com/y887hzx5




Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Jun 2017 07:18

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366233?d=asc

(relating above with other info., although Elizabeth 1939 not added, my fault, should have looked at image, when adding Alexander/Hilda Luton!)

Chris :)

Squeaky020

Squeaky020 Report 8 Jun 2017 11:12

Wow Wow Wow!!

Thank you all so much!!

You are all fantastic!!

HOW I LOVE THE GR COMMUNITY!!

:-D

Squeaky020

Squeaky020 Report 8 Jun 2017 11:25

The only question I do have about the 1939 is that is it states Elizabeth's birth date as 20 Dec 1869 but I have her baptism is 1861??

what do you think is happening there?

Any suggestions appreciated

Squeaky020

Squeaky020 Report 8 Jun 2017 12:43

I'm wondering if Elizabeth was born 20 Dec 1859 as her baptism is 6 Feb 1861 to Robert and Hannah Bisp.

Did they record 1869 instead of 1859 by mistake?

I wonder..... :-S

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 8 Jun 2017 13:31

There's a blue cross above 1869 which was obviously added later.....a family of Bisps living a few doors away as well

Jude

Researching:
Cording/Llewellyn/Hyde/Homer/Pattie/Irvine/Hunt/Mead

Squeaky020

Squeaky020 Report 8 Jun 2017 16:15

Thanks Jude!

I did notice the cross and wondered, do you think her birth date on there should be disregarded now? Maybe thats what the cross means!?

I noticed the Bisps but I haven't made the connection yet!
No doubt I will very soon!

As for Elizabeth's husband Alfred William Smart... I have on his baptism record that his parents are Samuel and Phoebe Smart. I cannot seem to find them on any 1861 or 1871 census or their marriage either!
Strange...

Any help would be appreciated!

malyon

malyon Report 8 Jun 2017 16:39


Samuel Smart
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name
Samuel Smart
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1851
Event Place
St Michaels, Warwickshire, England
Registration District
Coventry
Residence Note
Much Park Street
Gender
Male
Age
30
Marital Status
Married
Occupation
Hand Loom Ribbon Weaver
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1821
Birthplace
Coventry,
Page Number
33
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
2067 / 167
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Samuel Smart
Head
M
30
Coventry,
Phoebe Smart
Wife
F
27
Kettering, Northamptonshire
Charles Smart
Son
M
8
Kettering, Northamptonshire

Choccy

Choccy Report 8 Jun 2017 16:43


NOT Phoebe - but ??


Marriages Jun 1843


CARTER Pamela Chipping Sodbury 11 289

SMART Samuel Chipping Sodbury 11 289



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Hares Pitt, Westerleigh, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England


Samuel Smart Head Married Male 33 1818 Agricultural Labourer Pucklechurch, Gloucestershire, England

Pamela Smart Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Wapley, Gloucestershire, England

Elizabeth Smart Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Sarah Ann Smart Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Mary Jane Smart Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England


Deaths Dec 1860

Smart Samuel Chipping S. 6a 97


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Nibley, Westerleigh, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England


Pamila Smail Head Widow Female 39 1822 Field Labourer Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Mary Jane Smail Daughter - Female 18 1843 Nurse Maid Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Ruth Smail Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

>>>Alfred Wm Smail Son - Male 3 1858 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England



Marriages Dec 1867

Ovens John Chipping S. 6a 359
SMART Pamela Chipping S. 6a 359


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Westerleigh, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England


John Ovens Head - Male 50 1821 - Gloucestershire, England

Pamila Ovens Wife - Female 47 1824 - Gloucestershire, England

>>>>>Alfred Smart Son-In-Law - Male 14 1857 - Gloucestershire, England

Squeaky020

Squeaky020 Report 8 Jun 2017 16:55

Thank you Choccy !!

So had Samuel died by 1861 then?

Wow... Then Pam went on to marry John.

What do you think about what Malyon posted...Coventry?

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