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SMART Mary Jane
Date: 28 Feb 1847
Age: inf
Parish: Westerleigh

http://www.bafhs.org.uk/local-burials/south-gloucestershire

(South Gloucestershire Burials Index)

Chris :)

Has the GRO record for Elizabeth Bisp's birth registration been posted??


Just in case ............

BISP, ELIZABETH mmn TYLER
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 135

from the new GRO Index .............


Remembering that the GRO digitisation is unable to distinguish between week, month and age for many children, so 1 could = 1 week, 1 month OR 1 year. GRO knows the problem and is "working on it" ;-)

SMART, ANN HARRIET 1
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in OXFORD Volume 16 Page 58


I'm not sure what to think of this one ........

SMART, MARY JANE 9
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in CHIPPING SODBURY Volume 11 Page 210

IF it is the same one, her birth was registered in the March quarter, which could actually be for a birth from mid-November to last day in March. Mothers were officially allowed 6 weeks in which to register a child, although those who forgot or neglected to do registered often changed the birth date to later than it really happened.

so .................. does 9 = 9 weeks, 9 months OR 9 years??????

That is I think a problem that could only be solved by buying the death certificate..

Thank you for your help Malyon !

there is a mary jane born 1847 but died same year

SMART, MARY  JANE  
CARTER  

GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in CHIPPING SODBURY  Volume 11  Page 227

Deaths Mar 1847   (>99%)

SMART
 Mary Jane
 
 Chipg Sodby
 11
210

perhaps they had mary jane 1849 and named her after the baby that died

this could be another child

SMART, ANN  HARRIET  
CARTER  

GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in OXFORD  Volume 16  Page 89

but could have died

Deaths Dec 1847   (>99%)

SMART
 Ann Harriet
 
 Oxford
 16
58

not finding a birth for Alfred w with parents Samuel and pamela

Mary Jane Smart
Daughter
England and Wales Census, 1851
birth:
1849
Westerleigh, Gloucestershire
residence:
1851
Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England
father:
Samuel Smart
mother:
Pamela Smart
other:
Elizabeth Smart, Sarah Ann Smart

Ruth Smart
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
28 December 1851
Westerleigh, Gloucester, England
residence:

Westerleigh, Gloucester, England
father:
Samuel Smart
mother:
Pammela

Thank you for your input !

This gives me a lot of info to go on and to collate and print for my folders :-)

Next to find Samuel & Pamela's other children :-S

Samuel Smart
England, Bristol Parish Registers
Name
Samuel Smart
Event Type
Marriage
Event Date
22 Apr 1843
Event Place
Pucklechurch, St Thomas a Becket, Gloucestershire, England
Gender
Male
Marital Status
Single
Father's Name
Samuel Smart
Spouse's Name
Pamela Carter
Spouse's Residence Place
Pucklechurch, St Thomas a Becket, Gloucestershire
Spouse's Gender
Female
Spouse's Marital Status
Single
Spouse's Father's Name
George Carter

Re "the blue cross" I am guessing that it signifies some doubt about the veracity of 1869.....

This is the only possible birth

Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
Bisp Elizabeth Clifton 6a 135 Scan available - click to view

I'd say December 1859 is odds on - but buying this would confirm it.

Jude

Ahhh Choccy!!

You've got it !! Well Done :-)

Thank you for your time!! :-)

Thank you Choccy !!

So had Samuel died by 1861 then?

Wow... Then Pam went on to marry John.

What do you think about what Malyon posted...Coventry?

NOT Phoebe - but ??


Marriages Jun 1843


CARTER Pamela Chipping Sodbury 11 289

SMART Samuel Chipping Sodbury 11 289



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Hares Pitt, Westerleigh, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England


Samuel Smart Head Married Male 33 1818 Agricultural Labourer Pucklechurch, Gloucestershire, England

Pamela Smart Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Wapley, Gloucestershire, England

Elizabeth Smart Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Sarah Ann Smart Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Mary Jane Smart Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England


Deaths Dec 1860

Smart Samuel Chipping S. 6a 97


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Nibley, Westerleigh, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England


Pamila Smail Head Widow Female 39 1822 Field Labourer Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Mary Jane Smail Daughter - Female 18 1843 Nurse Maid Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

Ruth Smail Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Westerleigh, Gloucestershire, England

>>>Alfred Wm Smail Son - Male 3 1858 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England



Marriages Dec 1867

Ovens John Chipping S. 6a 359
SMART Pamela Chipping S. 6a 359


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Westerleigh, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England


John Ovens Head - Male 50 1821 - Gloucestershire, England

Pamila Ovens Wife - Female 47 1824 - Gloucestershire, England

>>>>>Alfred Smart Son-In-Law - Male 14 1857 - Gloucestershire, England

Samuel Smart
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name
Samuel Smart
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1851
Event Place
St Michaels, Warwickshire, England
Registration District
Coventry
Residence Note
Much Park Street
Gender
Male
Age
30
Marital Status
Married
Occupation
Hand Loom Ribbon Weaver
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1821
Birthplace
Coventry,
Page Number
33
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
2067 / 167
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Samuel Smart
Head
M
30
Coventry,
Phoebe Smart
Wife
F
27
Kettering, Northamptonshire
Charles Smart
Son
M
8
Kettering, Northamptonshire

Thanks Jude!

I did notice the cross and wondered, do you think her birth date on there should be disregarded now? Maybe thats what the cross means!?

I noticed the Bisps but I haven't made the connection yet!
No doubt I will very soon!

As for Elizabeth's husband Alfred William Smart... I have on his baptism record that his parents are Samuel and Phoebe Smart. I cannot seem to find them on any 1861 or 1871 census or their marriage either!
Strange...

Any help would be appreciated!

There's a blue cross above 1869 which was obviously added later.....a family of Bisps living a few doors away as well

Jude

I'm wondering if Elizabeth was born 20 Dec 1859 as her baptism is 6 Feb 1861 to Robert and Hannah Bisp.

Did they record 1869 instead of 1859 by mistake?

I wonder..... :-S

The only question I do have about the 1939 is that is it states Elizabeth's birth date as 20 Dec 1869 but I have her baptism is 1861??

what do you think is happening there?

Any suggestions appreciated

Wow Wow Wow!!

Thank you all so much!!

You are all fantastic!!

HOW I LOVE THE GR COMMUNITY!!

:-D