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Can't find Stanley family on 1911 census

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 14:24

Perhaps some other eyes will be able to help with this!

I have all the family background, earlier censuses, etc, so please don't waste your time on that.

All I'm looking for is the 1911 census, for Arthur Edward Stanley 1874, his sons William Arthur 1902 and John Thomas 1904, and his second wife Hannah Bartlett (nee Impey) 1881 .

This is the family in 1901 (with first wife):

Arthur Stanley
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Arthur Stanley [Arthur Edward Stanley]
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875 [actually 1874]
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Esther Stanley
Birth Place: Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2820
Folio: 91
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Stanley 26
Esther Stanley 29 - nee Wade, died 1909
James Stanley 36 - brother
Mary A Stanley 1 - daughter, died 1903


Birth of Mary Ann:
STANLEY, MARY ANN mms WADE
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 546

Death of Mary Ann:
Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%)
Stanley Mary Ann 3 King's N. 6c 233

Birth of son William:
STANLEY, WILLIAM ARTHUR mms WADE
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in KING'S NORTON Volume 06C Page 486

Birth of son John:
STANLEY, JOHN THOMAS mms WADE
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in KING'S NORTON Volume 06C Page 479

First wife Esther's death:

Deaths Sep 1909 (>99%)
STANLEY Esther Jane 37 King's N. 6c 215

Marriage to Hannah:

Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
Imp[ae]y Hannah B King's N. 6c 876
Stanley Arthur E King's N. 6c 876


I can't find Arthur, William, John, or Hannah in 1911.


Hannah died 1969:
Deaths Sep 1969 (>99%)
STANLEY Hannah Bartlett 31De1881 Birmingham 9c 110

Arthur died 1956:
Deaths Sep 1956 (>99%)
Stanley Arthur E 82 Birmingham 9c 300

William married in 1929:
Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Isom Violet N Stanley Birmingham N. 6d 989
Stanley William A Isom Birmingham N. 6d 989

Violet remarried in 1964, so presumably William had died before that (I've been told 1957, but no proof).

I have no idea what happened to John Thomas.
He may have died in Birmingham in 1935, but I haven't bought the cert to prove it.

However, it's the 1911 census I'm particularly interested in at the moment.
If anyone can find the family then, I'll be very grateful.

Will look back later.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:00

Here they are in 1911:-

124 Unett Street Smethwick Staffordshire, Smethwick, Worcestershire, England


Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur E Stanley Head Married Male Brewers Drayman 36 1875 Bidocote Banbury Transcription
Hannah Stanley Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Burford Oxon Transcription
William Stanley Son - Male - 8 1903 Smethwick Birmingham Transcription
John Stanley Son - Male - 6 1905 Smethwick Birmingham Transcription
Winnie Impey Visitor - Female - 8 1903 Marton Warwickshire

Married for under one year
Children:- none

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:07

Do you have an exact date of birth for John Thomas, it may be easier to, either find him in 1939 record, or to find a death for him?

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:09

There's this one in 1939:-


67 Edenbridge Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

John Stanley 18 Nov 1904 Male Rent Collector Ce Of Birmingham Estates Married 92 1
Queenie M Stanley 21 Aug 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 92 2
.....................

marriage for above, so maybe not him as no middle name?

Marriages Jun 1931 (>99%)
Knopp Queenie M Stanley Birmingham S. 6d 236
Stanley John Knopp Birmingham S. 6d 236

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:15

another 1939

21 North Street , Ashton-in-Makerfield U.D., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Thomas J Stanley 24 Oct 1904 Male Permanent Labourer Married 110 1
Mabel Stanley 21 Jul 1907 Female Housewife Married 110 2
Edward Stanley 22 Jun 1928 Male At School Single 110 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Edith Palmer (Stanley) 14 Oct 1931 Female At School Single 110 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
.........................
Name is the other war around but you never know?

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
MORRIS Mabel Stanley Wigan 8c 11
STANLEY Thomas J Morris Wigan 8c 11


With exact date of birth you would see if any of these is an option, or not.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:18

..................and another but yet again, no middle name:-

112 Duke Street , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

John Stanley 24 Oct 1904 Male Maintainance Painter Married 349 1
Alice B Stanley 09 Apr 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 349 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
.................

Marriages Jun 1927 (>99%)
Hartle Alice B Stanley Manchester S. 8d 73
STANLEY John Hartle Manchester S. 8d 73

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:26

There is also this death worth considering:-

First name(s) JOHN T
Last name STANLEY
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1904
Age 35
Death quarter 3
Death year 1939
District Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire
Volume 6B
Page 737
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
..................

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Jun 2017 15:37

Strange on Ancestry, searching Street Address, gives 725 images Unett Street, and 725 is end, with a Mr Allen 132!.

Chris :)

11 August 1910 - Banbury Advertiser - Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

Marriage
July 31, at St. Matthew's Church, Smethwick, Birmingham, Arthur Edward Stanley, late of Bodicote, to Hannah Bartlett Impey of Banbury.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:00

1939 electoral register

65 Morris Road, Washwood Heath:

Arthur Edward Stanley
Hannah Bartlett Stanley
Hubert Edward Stanley
Geoffrey Harry Stanley
--------------------------

1950 electoral register:

26 Fowey Road, Stechford

Arthur E Stanley
Hannah B Stanley
Annie S Stanley
Hubert E A Stanley
Isabel M Stanley
Cyril G S Stanley

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:05

1939 register:

Stanley Household 26 Towey Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

Arthur E Stanley 27 Apr 1874 Male Jobbing Gardener Own Account Married
Hannah B Stanley 11 Dec 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Annie S Stanley 12 Jul 1904 Female Paid Domestic Servant Widowed
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:14

1935 Electoral register:

65 Morris Road

Arthur Edward Stanley
Hannah Barlet Stanley
John Thomas Stanley
Annie Susan Stanley
Hubert Edward Stanley

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 17:23

Had to leave the thread for a while so just checking back.

Ah, so going by AustinQ's 1935 electoral register it looks as though John Thomas was still at home in 1935.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:24

Afternoon AG

John Thomas Stanley death 1935 is correct:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

STANLEY John Thomas of 65 Morris Road, Ward End Birmingham, died 16 August 1935 Administration Annie Susan Stanley widow Effects£129
--------------------------

Death:
First name(s) JOHN T
Last name STANLEY
Gender Male
Birth year 1905
Age 30
Death quarter 3
Death year 1935
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 271

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:27

His marriage:

First name(s) JOHN T
Last name STANLEY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1932
Spouse: Annie S Markwell
Spouse's last name Markwell
District Birmingham North
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 1201

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 17:38

Many thanks for find the 1911, Catherine.

Arthur's brother James Horace and family are at 78 Unett Street, so I've worked along the street to 124, and found it that way, on the image. But it hasn't been transcribed on Ancestry.
Even entering the details as they are shown on the FMP version you've posted, it doesn't come up.

They were still at 124 Unett St in 1922, per ER.

No, sorry, I don't have John Thomas's exact DOB. In fact, I only discovered his existence today, when double-checking William's birth on the GRO site.
Thanks for the various 1939 possibilities. I'll keep a note of them in case I ever feel the urge to buy his birth cert - not at present.

Chris - thanks for the exact date of Arthur's marriage!

AQ - thanks for your help, and confirmation of JT's death.
Markwell rings a bell from somewhere else in my tree, I'm sure. I must look into that.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:43

William's death was 1957:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

STANLEY William Arthur of 9madocke Road, Sedbury near Chepstow, Monmouthshire died 19 February 1957at St Woolos Hospital, Newport, Monmouthshire Administration Llandaff 13 March to Violet Nancy Stanley widow Effects £312

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:46

AG- John died in 1935 so the possible 1939 registers wont be him!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 17:48

Hmm - interesting. I've got Annie Susan, her siblings and parents in my tree already (don't know why - must be some other connection ) , and her husband John, complete with DOD 1935, but he's not attached to his family. I've made a note at some point "Don't know if he's one of our Stanleys or not" ! (That's because I didn't know he existed until today - thanks to GRO births showing mms - how did we ever manage without that?).)

Annie and John had a daughter Margaret M, born Birmingham 1933.

EDIT:
OK, now I see that Annie Susan's in my tree because her mother Marion was not only a Stanley, but was Arthur Edward's sister!

So John married his cousin.

Oh dear, that means another of those awkward double-entry situations in GR, of which I've already got several.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 17:49

Yes, thanks, AQ - I'll forget 1939!

And thanks for confirmation of William's death date.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 18:01

Great when it all comes together. Not had any first cousin marriages in my tree.