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Can't find Stanley family on 1911 census

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Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 22:32

Well done everyone, tied up nicely.
:-) still smiling.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 18:10

Mine are quite an incestuous lot! Or almost so.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 18:01

Great when it all comes together. Not had any first cousin marriages in my tree.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 17:49

Yes, thanks, AQ - I'll forget 1939!

And thanks for confirmation of William's death date.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 17:48

Hmm - interesting. I've got Annie Susan, her siblings and parents in my tree already (don't know why - must be some other connection ) , and her husband John, complete with DOD 1935, but he's not attached to his family. I've made a note at some point "Don't know if he's one of our Stanleys or not" ! (That's because I didn't know he existed until today - thanks to GRO births showing mms - how did we ever manage without that?).)

Annie and John had a daughter Margaret M, born Birmingham 1933.

EDIT:
OK, now I see that Annie Susan's in my tree because her mother Marion was not only a Stanley, but was Arthur Edward's sister!

So John married his cousin.

Oh dear, that means another of those awkward double-entry situations in GR, of which I've already got several.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:46

AG- John died in 1935 so the possible 1939 registers wont be him!

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:43

William's death was 1957:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

STANLEY William Arthur of 9madocke Road, Sedbury near Chepstow, Monmouthshire died 19 February 1957at St Woolos Hospital, Newport, Monmouthshire Administration Llandaff 13 March to Violet Nancy Stanley widow Effects £312

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2017 17:38

Many thanks for find the 1911, Catherine.

Arthur's brother James Horace and family are at 78 Unett Street, so I've worked along the street to 124, and found it that way, on the image. But it hasn't been transcribed on Ancestry.
Even entering the details as they are shown on the FMP version you've posted, it doesn't come up.

They were still at 124 Unett St in 1922, per ER.

No, sorry, I don't have John Thomas's exact DOB. In fact, I only discovered his existence today, when double-checking William's birth on the GRO site.
Thanks for the various 1939 possibilities. I'll keep a note of them in case I ever feel the urge to buy his birth cert - not at present.

Chris - thanks for the exact date of Arthur's marriage!

AQ - thanks for your help, and confirmation of JT's death.
Markwell rings a bell from somewhere else in my tree, I'm sure. I must look into that.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:27

His marriage:

First name(s) JOHN T
Last name STANLEY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1932
Spouse: Annie S Markwell
Spouse's last name Markwell
District Birmingham North
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 1201

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:24

Afternoon AG

John Thomas Stanley death 1935 is correct:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

STANLEY John Thomas of 65 Morris Road, Ward End Birmingham, died 16 August 1935 Administration Annie Susan Stanley widow Effects£129
--------------------------

Death:
First name(s) JOHN T
Last name STANLEY
Gender Male
Birth year 1905
Age 30
Death quarter 3
Death year 1935
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 271

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 17:23

Had to leave the thread for a while so just checking back.

Ah, so going by AustinQ's 1935 electoral register it looks as though John Thomas was still at home in 1935.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:14

1935 Electoral register:

65 Morris Road

Arthur Edward Stanley
Hannah Barlet Stanley
John Thomas Stanley
Annie Susan Stanley
Hubert Edward Stanley

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:05

1939 register:

Stanley Household 26 Towey Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

Arthur E Stanley 27 Apr 1874 Male Jobbing Gardener Own Account Married
Hannah B Stanley 11 Dec 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Annie S Stanley 12 Jul 1904 Female Paid Domestic Servant Widowed
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Jun 2017 17:00

1939 electoral register

65 Morris Road, Washwood Heath:

Arthur Edward Stanley
Hannah Bartlett Stanley
Hubert Edward Stanley
Geoffrey Harry Stanley
--------------------------

1950 electoral register:

26 Fowey Road, Stechford

Arthur E Stanley
Hannah B Stanley
Annie S Stanley
Hubert E A Stanley
Isabel M Stanley
Cyril G S Stanley

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Jun 2017 15:37

Strange on Ancestry, searching Street Address, gives 725 images Unett Street, and 725 is end, with a Mr Allen 132!.

Chris :)

11 August 1910 - Banbury Advertiser - Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

Marriage
July 31, at St. Matthew's Church, Smethwick, Birmingham, Arthur Edward Stanley, late of Bodicote, to Hannah Bartlett Impey of Banbury.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:26

There is also this death worth considering:-

First name(s) JOHN T
Last name STANLEY
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1904
Age 35
Death quarter 3
Death year 1939
District Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire
Volume 6B
Page 737
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
..................

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:18

..................and another but yet again, no middle name:-

112 Duke Street , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

John Stanley 24 Oct 1904 Male Maintainance Painter Married 349 1
Alice B Stanley 09 Apr 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 349 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
.................

Marriages Jun 1927 (>99%)
Hartle Alice B Stanley Manchester S. 8d 73
STANLEY John Hartle Manchester S. 8d 73

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:15

another 1939

21 North Street , Ashton-in-Makerfield U.D., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Thomas J Stanley 24 Oct 1904 Male Permanent Labourer Married 110 1
Mabel Stanley 21 Jul 1907 Female Housewife Married 110 2
Edward Stanley 22 Jun 1928 Male At School Single 110 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Edith Palmer (Stanley) 14 Oct 1931 Female At School Single 110 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
.........................
Name is the other war around but you never know?

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
MORRIS Mabel Stanley Wigan 8c 11
STANLEY Thomas J Morris Wigan 8c 11


With exact date of birth you would see if any of these is an option, or not.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:09

There's this one in 1939:-


67 Edenbridge Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

John Stanley 18 Nov 1904 Male Rent Collector Ce Of Birmingham Estates Married 92 1
Queenie M Stanley 21 Aug 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 92 2
.....................

marriage for above, so maybe not him as no middle name?

Marriages Jun 1931 (>99%)
Knopp Queenie M Stanley Birmingham S. 6d 236
Stanley John Knopp Birmingham S. 6d 236

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2017 15:07

Do you have an exact date of birth for John Thomas, it may be easier to, either find him in 1939 record, or to find a death for him?