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James Williams and his brother Benjamin Williams - my great grandfather and his brother were born there in 1851 and 1858. Does anyone know where Sandy Hole is? I know their father was Benjamin Williams ( his name is on my g.grandfather's marriage certificate)........but then I'm stuck!!

There doesn't seem to be any such place in that area?

Where have you found it mentioned that this was their birthplace - was it on a census? Is so, could you post it for reference please?

Do you have the family together on any census?

What was father Benjamin's occupation ?

Do you know who their mother was please?

Dea x

I can't find any trace of this place in Radnorshire. Could it be the name of a house?

Kath. x

Radnorshire, Sandy Hole is listed on the 1881 census as birth place for both James and his brother Benjamin.

Their father Benjamin Williams is listed as Bailiff on the marriage certificate for James and his wife Hannah Tedds.

I can't find James Wiliams in any census before 1881.

I see in the 1901 and 1911 James Williams he is listed as being born in Brampton, Radnorshire. Does that make sense? Could there be a Sandy Hole near a place called Brampton?

I live in Canada so not so easy for me to research the actual place,

this is the ionly sandy hole I can find in Dartmoor

http://www.richkni.co.uk/dartmoor/sandy.htm

I think it is Brampton Bryan South Radnorshire/Herefordshire border

Maryb.

Benjamin Williams
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name
Benjamin Williams
County
Radnorshire
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1861
Event Place
Abbeycwmhir, Radnorshire, Wales
Registration District
Rhayader
Residence Note
Penbwlch
Gender
Male
Age
2
Occupation
Labourers Son
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Birth Year (Estimated)
1859
Birthplace
Abbeycwmhir, Radnorshire
Page Number
8
Registration Number
RG09
Piece/Folio
4237 / 4
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Benjamin Williams
Head
M
31
St Harmon, Radnorshire
Elizabeth Williams
Wife
F
24
Abbeycwmhir, Radnorshire
Benjamin Williams
Son
M
2
Abbeycwmhir, Radnorshire
Adah Eliza Williams
Daughter
F
1
Abbeycwmhir, Radnorshire

james 1901
45, Cowley Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Williams Head Married Male 50 1851 Coal Miner (Hewer) Radnorshire, Wales
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Hannah Williams Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
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Elizabeth Williams Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Lace Dresser Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
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Mary A Williams Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Lace Dresser Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
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Benjamin Williams Son Single Male 16 1885 Coal Miner (Ganger) Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
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Esther J Williams Daughter - Female 14 1887 Lace Dresser Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
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Hannah Williams Daughter - Female 12 1889 Curtain Mender 1/2 Timer Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
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James Williams Son - Male 9 1892 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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David Williams Son - Male 7 1894 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Martha Williams Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

1881
Name: Hannah Williams
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: James Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Bedworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: New Town
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Foleshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3064
Folio: 107
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
James Williams 29 ------ sandy hole
Hannah Williams 24
Sarah A. Tedds 8
John Williams 4
Elizabeth H. Williams 1
James Williams 0
Benjamin Williams 23

I can see no births registered for the boys under those names and no marriage for a Benjamin Williams to a Hannah Tedds?

Do you have any more details please?

Dea x


OOOpps - It seems to have been James who married Hannah Tedds, not Benjamin.

1911 ????
Name: James Williams
Age in 1911: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brampton, Radnorshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Nottingham
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County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 10 White Moor Rd Old Basford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner (hewer)
Registration district: Nottingham
Registration District Number: 430
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 20654
Household Members:
Name Age
James Williams 61 -- brampton
Hannah Williams 57 -------- bedworth
James Williams 19
David Williams 17

1851 Civil Parish Brampton Bryan/Brian Old Radnorshire
Benjamin Williams 1823 farm lab
Elizabeth wife and children.

So that puts them in Brampton Bryan for birth of James 1/3/1851.

Maryb

I did find the census for 1861 where there was a Benjamin Williams but he was born in Abbeycwmhir, Radnorshire, Wales. I did not know if this was near the Sandy Hole listed on the 1881 census.

Maddie - you are correct he did move to Nottinghamshire.

Dea - it was James Williams who married Hannah Tedds

Mary - thank you for your suggestion re the Herefordshire border. Will look into that.

Thank you for all your suggestions. Must head to bed as it's 3.24 in the morning here.
You know how one can get caught up in the search! Will check in again In the morning. :-) :-)

Mary thank you just saw your second post..This is great!! Will explore tomorrow.

Brampton Bryan
Brampton Bryan is a small village and civil parish situated in north Herefordshire, England close to the Shropshire and Welsh borders. Brampton Bryan lies midway between Leintwardine and Knighton

Benjamin Williams
Gender Male
Christening Date 15 Feb 1857
Christening Date (Original) 15 FEB 1857
Christening Place BURGHILL,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Benjamin Williams
Mother's Name Elizabeth
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Benjamin Williams

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: Benjamin Williams
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: 1857
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benjamin Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Burghill, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wellington
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Burghill
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 1818
Folio: 143
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Williams 38
Ann Williams 14
John Williams 12
Mary Williams 7
Benjamin Williams 4

John Williams
Gender Male
Christening Date 08 Apr 1849
Christening Date (Original) 08 APR 1849
Christening Place KNILL,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Benjamin Williams
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Citing this Record

close to old radnor

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BENJAMIN
Last name WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1846
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ BENJAMIN WILLIAMS married one of these people
Mary James, Elizabeth Jones
District Presteigne
District number -
County Radnorshire
Country Wales
Volume 26
Page 502
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

Presteigne (/pr?s'ti?n/; Welsh: Llanandras (the church of St. Andrew)) is a town and community in Powys, Wales. It was the county town of the historic county of Radnorshire. Despite lying on a minor B road the town has, in common with several other towns close to the Wales-England border, assumed the motto, "Gateway to Wales".

lies within same area as knill, oldradnor and knighton and brampton bryan

Brampton Bryan
Brampton Bryan is a small village and civil parish situated in north Herefordshire, England close to the Shropshire and Welsh borders. Brampton Bryan lies midway between Leintwardine and Knighton