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Thanks Chris, seems like my family line will end then properly with his son Frederick their which is sad only three generations on that part of the surname line

And not a lot about on William Christopher Cross!, as posted earlier, down as Deceased on Marriage Cert. for Daughter Ada 1896, and perhaps that should be Corn Merchant, not Coal?, for his occ.)

Chris :)

https://tinyurl.com/yd2or4k5

(and just gives Cross for Father Surname, Ada, Canada, on that Death Registration image)

His birth certificate states William Christopher Cross as well!!

Help please guys

Just had Frederick/s 1909 MC back and his father was listed as William Christopher Cross a corn merchant deceased.

I looks unlikely that she did i have ordered her son Frederick's BC to see what his father is listed as.

Wow thanks Chris and Mary trying to figure out the info sent thats awesome :)

Christopher lucking married Caroline's aunt Anna knapping 1821-1904.

Maryb.

(below from google)

Chris :)

https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/SeaxPAM/ViewCatalogue.aspx?ID=268904

14 April 1880

Scope and content
Settlement of life assurance policy for £500

Christopher Lucking, late of Eastwood, now of Southend, corn merchant, to Christopher Lucking, junior and Edward Lucking, both of Southend, corn merchants

In trust to pay £100 per annum, out of money received from policy on death of Christopher Lucking, to Caroline Cadman of 7 Portland Road, West Green Road, Tottenham, Middx, and after her death to her four children, William Christopher Cadman, Gertrude Emily Cross, Ada Madaline Cross, and Frederick Cross

Recites: life assurance policy with Norwich Union LIfe Assurance Society, 19 December 1859


19 October 1891

Scope and content
Release and discharge from trusts

Caroline Cadman of 7 Portland Road, West Green Road, Tottenham Middx. spinster, to Christopher Lucking, junior and Edward Lucking, both of Southend, corn merchants

Recites : (i) D/DS 500/1; (ii) death of Christopher Lucking, 21 November 1885; (iii) receipt of £572 4s. 1d. by trustees from Norwich Union Life Assurance Society; (iv) payment of £100 per annum to Caroline Cadman

Signatures of Caroline Cadman and Christopher Lucking

Witness: Thomas Hood of 6 Billiter Street, City of London, solicitor


Edits

CROSS, ADA MADELINE (CADMAN)
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 666


All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Ada Madeline Cross abt 1872
29 Jul 1896 Herbert Edwin Crowhurst Hornsey Rise

(Father, William Christopher Cross (Deceased) occ. Coal Merchant. Witnesses John Crowhurst, Wm C Cross)


Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890 - 1960 (Find My Past)

Crowhurst Herbert Edward 1870 — 1921 Quebec, Canada
(with Ada Madeline, last UK Address, The Haven, Elmsleigh Drive, Leigh on Sea)


British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872–1992 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Ada Madeline
Sex Female
Last name Crowhurst,
Year 1949
Province British Columbia
Country Canada
Age 73
Death date 6/14/1949
Place NORTH VANCOUVER


First name(s) Herbert
Sex Male
Last name Crowhurst,
Year 1928
Province British Columbia
Country Canada
Age 58
Death date 5/26/1928
Place WEST VANCOUVER


http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/3b726fbf-b750-4307-a25d-148073c99d20

(Death Registration image, Ada)


Birth
CADMAN, WILLIAM CHRISTOPHER -
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 477


Edits (reply to Mary above, yes, family there 1881)

1881 electoral register
Christopher Cross
7,Portland Road West Green Road Tottenham.

Wasn't Caroline and family at 7,Portland road in 1881 census!!

Maryb.

wow thanks you guys lots for me to look through

parents 1841
Jubilee Row, Prittlewell, Rochford, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
William Cadman Male 30 1811 Essex, England --- mariner
Transcription
Emma Cadman Female 25 1816 Essex, England
Transcription
Emma Cadman Female 1 1840 Essex, England



William
Last name Cadman
Birth year 1810
Birth date 14 Feb 1810
Birth place Southend
Birth county/country Essex
Archive The National Archives
Series BT113
Piece number 123
Date range 1845-1854
Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835-1857
Category Education & work
Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

1841 mary mentioned
Eastwood Noble Green, Eastwood, Rochford, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Christopher Knapping Male 51 1790 Essex, England
Transcription
Joseph Knapping Male 15 1826 Essex, England
Transcription
- Knapping Female 46 1795 Essex, England
Transcription
Sally Knapping Female 25 1816 Essex, England
Transcription
Charlotte Knapping Female 20 1821 Essex, England
Transcription
Ann Knapping Female 15 1826 Essex, England
Transcription
Judith Knapping Female 15 1826 Essex, England
Transcription
Ellen Knapping Female 15 1826 Essex, England
Transcription
Caroline Cadman Female 3 1838 Essex, England
Transcription
Lusey Baker Female 20 1821 Essex, England

1851
19, Marine Parade, Prittlewell, Rochford, Essex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Cadman Head Married Male 41 1810 Mariner Southend, Essex, England
Transcription
Emma Cadman Wife Married Female 33 1818 Mariner Wife Barling, Essex, England
Transcription
Caroline Cadman Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 Scholar Southend, Essex, England
Transcription
Emma Cadman Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1841 Scholar Southend, Essex, England
Transcription
Reuben Cadman Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 Scholar Southend, Essex, England
Transcription
Emily Cadman Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1848 Scholar Southend, Essex, England
Transcription
Henry Cadman Son - Male 1 1850 Infant Southend, Essex, England

HENRY
Last name CADMAN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1851
District Rochford
County Essex
Volume 12
Page 128

REUBEN
Last name CADMAN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1843
Age 26
Death quarter 4
Death year 1869
District Rochford
County Essex
Volume 4A
Page 148

1841 census
Caroline Cadman age 3 was with her grandfather Christopher Knipping ( should read knapping) 1790-1846 he was dad to Emma knapping 1817 married William Reuben Cadman.
So looks as though she was not in a institution in 1841.

Maryb.

That 1903 Death refers to the Caroline Cross at 57, Stamford Road, Hackney 1901, with Husband James (their Burials in Abney Park Hackney)

Chris :)

wonder if this is carolines death would have been born 1840

Deaths Mar 1903   (>99%)

Cross
 Caroline
 63
 Hackney
 1b
325

poor soul but she is with parents in 1851 and with her married sister emma in 1961 census I posted

Thanks Malyon funny enough i just came across the workhouse record as well on her own without parents

Caroline Cadman
Daughter
England and Wales Census, 1851
birth:
1839
Southend, Essex
residence:
1851
Prittlewell, Essex, England
father:
William Cadman
mother:
Emma Cadman
other:
Emma Cadman

this could be caroline in 1841 in a institution not with parents


Caroline Cadman
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name
Caroline Cadman
Titles and Terms
NULL
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1841
Event Place
Eastwood, Essex, England
Residence Note
Eastwood Noble Green
Gender
Female
Age
3
Age (Original)
3
Occupation
Null
Birth Year (Estimated)
1838
Birthplace
Essex
Registration District
Rochford
Parish
Eastwood
County
Essex
Page Number
5
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
337/19
Affiliate Record Type
Institution

Thanks all :)