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Reading through this thread, it strikes me that although a Matilda Coleman 1899 Maylebone is with the Fudges in 1901, she's also listed with her parents William and Margaret in Hendon in 1901. (Posted by Nyx on page 1)


Perhaps she was staying with the Fudges that night, but her parents still listed her at her home address. I have instances of that in my tree.

Perhaps the enumerator assumed she was their grand-daughter, rather than just the daughter of friends.

Maybe they were honorary "grandparents", as elderly neighbours of mine were to my children - we even called them Granny and "Da".

Marriages Sep 1874
CAIGER Thomas Kensington 1a 277
HAMILTON Matilda Caroline Kensington 1a 277

No neither do I,but I will keep looking for a connection as there are too many similarities.
Also I can't find a birth for either William or Bertie Caiger !!

Maryb.

Thanks for that Mary but still don't see where those listed above connect to the Coleman/Clancey family.


Chrissie

Matilda Caroline Hamilton baptised 1847 by Henry and Elizabeth.

She married Thomas Caiger 20/9/1874.

1891 126,Kilburn park road
Matilda Caiger widow Umbrella Maker
William Caiger 1877 Marylebone (Is this William Coleman )?
Bertie Caiger 1885 Hampstead.

Matilda married George Fudge in 1895
Matilda Caroline Fudge died Paddington 1905
George Fudge 1838 died 1905 Paddington.

Maryb.

Thank you Mary that looks a very good possibility.

I don't understand the connection with George Fudge and his wife Matilda. It states on the census record that Matilda Coleman is their granddaughter but surely their surname would be Coleman or Clancey. I beleive George and Matilda married in 1895, Matilda was a widow.

Chrissie

How about this one
Parish of St Augustine Paddington
25/12/1897
William Coleman 21 of 167 CAMBRIDGE Road Umberella Maker dad Joseph deceased 1901 he was at (CAMBRIGDE Place)
Maggie Carney 19 spinster of same address dad Michael a Storeman.
When you look at marriage record it looks like her signature could be Maggie Clancey/Clancy in my eyes.
Witness's George and Matilda Fudge.

1901 George Fudge 1839 and Matilda Fudge 1846 Marylebone with Matilda Coleman granddaughter 1899.
Matilda is with William and Margaret in 1911

Maryb.

Susan
Last name Guy
Address Newbridge
Marriage year 1878
Marriage date 23 Sep 1878
Parish Newbridge
Alternative parish names Droichead Nua
Diocese Kildare and Leighlin
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Clancy
Spouse's address Newbridge
County Kildare
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Guy
Mother's first name(s) Margt
Mother's last name Kille
Spouse's father's first name(s) Patrick
Spouse's father's last name Clancy
Spouse's mother's first name(s) Bridgt
Spouse's mother's last name Fyan
Repository National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland link http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634535#page/1/mode/1up
Register Marriage
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Ireland
Transcript Copyright Ancestry.com LLC

Looking at the GRO index, the birth for Francis shows mmn as Guy

Susan
Last name Guy
Registration year 1878
Registered Quarter/Year Jul - Sep 1878
Registration district Naas
Volume 2
Page 761
MarriageFinder™ Susan Guy married one of these people
William Donahoe, Robert John Farley, Thomas Clancy
County -
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Ireland
copyright Family Search

1891

Name: Margaret Clancy
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Clancy
Mother's name: Susan Clancy
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Aldershot
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Farnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 564
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Clancy 34
Susan Clancy 30
Margaret Clancy 10
Michael Clancy 8
Thomas Clancy 5
Francis Clancy 2
Julia Clancy 26
Emily Buckland 33

I came across this on Ancestry, it's transcribed as Claney on FMP which is why I didn't find it in initially. The age is a couple of years out but she was also born Ireland, unfortunately it doesn't say whereabouts.

Thank you for trying Nyx.

Chrissie I've had a look at some Irish records, on FMP and irish.ie but nothing as yet.

Thank you malyon I hadn't realised we hadn't found that birth.

I'm beginning to think they married in Ireland. Are Irish records online?

the Jessie coleman in 1911 census mothers name misspelt

COLEMAN, JESSIE  ANNIE  
CLAMPSEY  

GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in PADDINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 55

William Ernest Coleman
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name
William Ernest Coleman
Event Type
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year
1877
Registration District
Marylebone
County
London
Event Place
Marylebone, London, England
Volume
1A
Page
642
Line Number
241

could they have married in Ireland was William ernest in the army

Thanks for that.

I was checking the 1891 census records for a female with surname Clancey born 1879 and came across this


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Albert Embankment, Lambeth, London, England


Francis Clancey Head Married Male 42 1849 Tailor Surrey, England
Julia Clancey Wife Married Female 38 1853 Tailoress Cork, Cork, Ireland
Henry Clancey Son Single Male 6 1885 - Cork, Cork, Ireland
Ellen Clancey Niece Single Female 12 1879 - Cork, Cork, Ireland

As far as I'm aware the name Ellen is not a nickname for Margaret but I noticed the Cork Ireland place of birth and they lady I'm trying to help mentioned the family talk about they may have been from Ireland.

Chrissie

I missed that Michael gave father's name as William Ernest on his marriage so might be this one

COLEMAN, WILLIAM ERNEST PRIGG Order
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 642

Thank you Nyx.

Just found Williams birth in 1903 on GRO, he was William Daniel. I wonder if they did marry.

Chris

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Cambridge Place, Willesden, Hendon, Middlesex, England





William Coleman Head Married Male 24 1877 Electric Plater & Polisher Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Margaret Coleman Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Ireland
Matilda Coleman Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England Transcription
Margaret M Coleman Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Paddington, Middlesex, England Transcription