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Isabel Victoria Maud Craycraft b.1884 Minster.

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SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 6 Aug 2017 23:59

Need expert help tracing the parents and siblings and travels of above. been trying for years. just about to give up any help much appreciated
Yours in desperation
Regards George

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Aug 2017 00:06

Hi George

For information,,,

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Manchester Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

Frederick James Craycraft Head Married Male 44 1857 Master Mariner Margate, Kent, England
Transcription
Sarah Ann Craycraft Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Barrow, Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
Isabel Victoria Maud Craycraft Niece Single Female 17 1884 Dressmaker Minster, Kent, England
Transcription
Maud Charlotte Foster Niece - Female 4 1897 - London, Middlesex, England

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 7 Aug 2017 00:10

Is Sarah Ann maiden name.Larder PricklyHolly and Isabel is a neice.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2017 00:11

There is no Isabel V M Craycraft birth reg 1884 +/-2 on the gro birth index anywhere in the country.
However, there is this?

CRAYCROFT, ISABELLA
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 893

As no mmn is shown, it usually implies the mother was unmarried

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2017 00:16

A good possibilty for Frederick J Craycraft's marriage

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
CRAYCRAFT Frederick James Hull 9d 313
LARDER Sarah Ann Hull 9d 313

Added - from YorksBMD
Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CRAYCRAFT Frederick James LARDER Sarah Ann St Barnabas Hull HBA/2/82

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Aug 2017 00:26

Who did Isabel marry George?

Mr Barnett or Mr Jackson?

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Barnett William Edwin M Sculcoates 9d 363
Craycraft Isabel V M Sculcoates 9d 363
Jackson Abraham Sculcoates 9d 363

Do you know when and where she died?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2017 00:27

Isabel's marriage - would you consider buying the cert to see if she named a father?

From YorksBMD
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CRAYCRAFT Isabel Vm BARNETT William Edwin M Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended Hull SRO/62/26

FreeBMD ref to order from GRO
Isabel V M Craycraft
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sculcoates
Volume: 9d
Page: 363
William Edwin M Barnett

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1911

Isabel Victoria Maud Barnett
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Minster, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth

County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 30 Cobbett Street, Sth Lambeth S W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Stockwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2023

William Edwin Malt Barnett Husband 1882 29 Male Married 8 LICENSED VICTUALLERS ASSISTANT York, York,
Isabel Victoria Maud Barnett Wife 1882 29 Female Married 8 Minster, Kent,
Elsie May Craycraft Barnett Daughter 1907 4 Female Single Canterbury, Kent,
Isabel Victoria Maud Barnett Daughter 1908 3 Female Single Battersea, Surrey,

3 Children born alive, of whom 1 has died

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Aug 2017 00:37

She re-married in 1929.......

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Barnett Isabel V M Johnson Sculcoates 9d 511.
Johnson Albert Barnett Sculcoates 9d 511

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 7 Aug 2017 00:44

That brilliant thank but who's her mother and father Please. I need that to fill my chart up to 5 generations back thanks.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Aug 2017 00:45

It's not quite that simple George. We need to try and figure it out.


A tree on Ancestry has this information.....


Isabel Victoria Maud Craycraft
1883–1944
Birth 17 DEC 1883 • Minster, Kent
Death 24 DEC 1944........(Ooops....that should be 1949)

Mother.........Jemima Craycraft born abt 1865 Margate, Kent

Signing off for the night now........Will check back on here tomorrow.

Prickles. ;o))

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Marriage from http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

BARNETT Isabel V M JOHNSON Albert Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended Hull SRO/132/140
.................
1939 Register

Johnson Household (3 People) 6 Newington Street , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding),
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Isabel V M Johnson 17 Dec 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 89 2
Albert Johnson 09 Dec 1902 Male Trawler Engineer Married 89 1
William E Barnett 19 Dec 1920 Male Shop Assistant Fruite Single 89 3

Its not unusual to fudge the yob if there is a large age difference

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2017 00:49

Death

Name: Isabel V M Johnson
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Dec 1949
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 158

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2017 00:52

There's no obvious birth reg. Although she could have given incorrect information, it's worth buying her MC to Barnett to see who she names as her father.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2017 01:06

If her mother is Jemima, then Jemima was in the workhouse in 1891

Name: Jemina Craycraft
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Margate, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Minster
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Thanet
ED, institution, or vessel: Isle of Thanet Union Workhouse

Piece: 725
Folio: 126
Page Number: 16

Also listed are
Elsie May Craycraft 5
Frederick James Craycraft 1

Jemima marrys Charles Robinson in 1894

1911 census
Jemima Robinson
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Margate, Kent
Civil Parish: St Lawrence Intra
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: No 1 Alexandra Rd, Ramsgate
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 18
Estimated Marriage Year: 1893
Registration district: Thanet
Registration District Number: 63
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 217
Piece: 4535

Charles Robinson Head 1860 51 Male Married General Labourer Margate, Kent
Jemima Robinson Wife 1864 47 Female Married 18 Margate, Kent
Elsie Robinson Stepdaughter 1886 25 Female Single servant Minster, Kent
Fredrick Robinson Stepson 1890 21 Single Royal Navy Minster, Kent
Jessie Robinson Daughter 1893 18 Female Single servant Ramsgate, Kent
Horace Robinson Son 1895 16 Male Single Barber Boy Ramsgate, Kent

Image says 4 children born (to the marriage) all still living.
Further investigation needed to see if that is correct or if she included the children born before marriage.

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 7 Aug 2017 01:14

It may help. There are threads on here under Charles Foster and Maud Charlotte nee (Foster) .Silvester It just confuses me lol. Maud is my mam's mam.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Aug 2017 07:59

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366048?d=asc

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356307

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364762

(saw above 'Threads' lot on them to go through though!)

Chris :)

Edits (FMP version of above posted Birth!)

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) ISABELLA
Last name CRAYCEAFT
Birth year 1883
Birth quarter 4
District Thanet
County Kent
Volume 2A
Page 893

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 7 Aug 2017 08:20

Thanks For your Time and Interest. I'm relying on your expertise Chris Ho

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Aug 2017 08:26

(lol, I wouldn't do that George!, you have a lot on above!)

Chris :)

(and that Illiffe 'Thread' mystery is still in my head!)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Aug 2017 08:26

Related? No mmn on GRO index

England
First name(s) Elsie May
Last name Craycraft
Relationship Inmate
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 5
Birth year 1886
Occupation -
Birth town Minster
Birth town as transcribed MINSTER
Birth county Kent
Birth county as transcribed KENT
Birth place England
Street -
Town Minster
Parish Minster
City Birchington
County Kent
Registration district Thanet
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 725
Folio 126
Page 16
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England
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