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Sidami

Sidami Report 10 Aug 2017 20:08

I have been looking on 1871 census for JOHN Thomas Maskell born 1856 in Little Hale Lincolnshire I have been trying to find his parents hoping they would be on this census....well it has Elizabeth Thacker head age 76 widowed Maria Maskell age 48 unmarried John Maskell son age 16 and Sarah Maskell age 8 daughter? Now looking at the ages they can't be Children of Elizabeth as they have different surnames could they be children of Maria?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Aug 2017 20:10

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367525

(relates to above!)

Chris :)

(below might help with Father, although!)

Birth
MASKELL, JOHN THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in SLEAFORD Volume 07A Page 379


Birth
MASKELL, SARAH ANN -
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in HORNCASTLE Volume 07A Page 474

(below, for Cagthorpe on 1871 Census)

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Horncastle
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 583
Baptism date 01 Feb 1863
Person forename Sarah Ann
Person sex F
Person abode Cagthorpe
Father occupation Spinster
Mother forename Martha
Mother surname MASKELL


County Lincolnshire
Place Wood Enderby
Church name St Benedict
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 86
Baptism date 26 Aug 1827
Person forename Martha
Person sex F
Person abode Thimbleby
Father forename John
Father surname MASKELL
Father occupation Farmer
Mother forename Elizabeth


Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Wood Enderby
Church name St Benedict
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 188
Burial date 18 Dec 1874
Person age 79
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname THACKER
Burial person abode Horncastle


Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Wood Enderby
Church name St Benedict
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 47
Burial date 24 Oct 1828
Person age 46
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname MASKILL
Burial person abode Thimlbeby

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Lincolnshire Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) EDWARD
Last name THACKER
Marriage year 1830
Marriage day 13
Marriage month Jul
Parish Thimbleby
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Maskell


Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Wood Enderby
Church name St Benedict
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 110
Burial date 07 Aug 1853
Person age 45
Burial person forename Edward
Burial person surname THACKER
Burial person abode Wood Enderby


(better to get below)

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Loveley Sarah Jane Horncastle 7a 837
Maskell John Thomas Horncastle 7a 837

Edits (he looks to be shared by other GR Members, 'Search All Member Trees')

malyon

malyon Report 10 Aug 2017 20:27


Sarah Ann Maskell
England Births and Christenings
Name
Sarah Ann Maskell
Residence Place
Horncastle, Lincoln, England
Gender
Female
Christening Date
01 Feb 1863
Christening Date (Original)
1 Feb 1863
Christening Place
Horncastle, Lincoln, England
Mother's Name
Martha Maskell

malyon

malyon Report 10 Aug 2017 20:29

did Martha marry

Sarah Ann Maskell
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1881
Age
18
Marital Status (Original)
Single
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1863
Birthplace
Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England
Page Number
8
Registration Number
RG11
Piece/Folio
3251/53
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
James Simon Borrows
Head
M
59
Moorby, Lincolnshire, England
Martha Borrows
Wife
F
55
Thimbleby, Lincolnshire, England
James Borrows
Son
M
11
Moorby, Lincolnshire, England
Eliza M Maskell
Daughter
F
29
Wood Enderby, Lincolnshire, England
Elizth M Maskell
Daughter
F
23
Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England
Sarah Ann Maskell
Daughter
F
18
Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Johnson
Servant
M
18
Mareham Le Fen, Lincolnshire, England

malyon

malyon Report 10 Aug 2017 20:36

on the 1871 census you mentioned I think maria could be their mother

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Aug 2017 21:00

For helpers' reference:

Maria M Maskell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Maria M Maskell
[Maria M Thacker]
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Thacker
Gender: Female
Where born: Thimbleby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Horncastle
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Horncastle
Sub-registration district: Horncastle
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 3381
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Thacker 76
Maria M Maskell 48
John T Maskell 16
Sarah Maskell 8
(and two boarders)

In view of the baptism of Sarah, posted by malyon above, showing Martha as her mother, it looks as if Maria's sister Martha was the children's mother - or at least Sarah's.
Also from the evidence of the 1881 census, also psted by Malyon.
o

Martha Maskell
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Martha Maskell
[Martha Thacker]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Thacker
Gender: Female
Where born: Thimbleby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Horncastle
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Horncastle
Sub-registration district: Horncastle
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 2367
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Thacker 68
Maria M Maskell 39 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< unmarried
Martha Maskell 35 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< unmarried
Eliza Maskell 9 - grand-daughter
Thomas Maskell 6 - grandson
Elizabeth M A Maskell 3 - gr-daughter

malyon

malyon Report 10 Aug 2017 21:00

john Thomas's mother unmarried

MASKELL, JOHN  THOMAS  
-  

GRO Reference: 1855  M Quarter in SLEAFORD  Volume 07A  Page 379

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Aug 2017 21:02

MASKELL, ELIZABETH MARY ANN - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in HORNCASTLE UNION Volume 07A Page 474

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Aug 2017 21:08

Per the 1861 census, Elizabeth Thacker was born in Belchford, Lincs.

Presumably she was a Maskell at some point?

Here she is in 1851:


Elizabeth Thacker
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Thacker
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1795
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Thacker
Gender: Female
Where born: Belchford, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Wood Enderby
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Horncastle
Sub-registration district: Tetford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 2108
Folio: 177
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Thacker 44
Elizabeth Thacker 56
William Bannister 37 - son-in-law
Ann Bannister 27 - daughter-in-law
Richard Bannister 4
John Bannister 2


And 1841:

***No, I think this is a different couple. Deleted ****

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Aug 2017 21:16

Mary Ann Maskel
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Ann Maskel
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1824
Baptism Place: Wood Enderby, Lincoln, England
Father: John Maskel
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1541960




Edward Thacker
mentioned in the record of Edward Thacker and Elizabeth Maskell
Name Edward Thacker
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Maskell
Event Date 1830
Event Place Thimbleby, Lincoln, England

EDIT:
Oops, already posted by Chris.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Aug 2017 21:17


John Maskell
mentioned in the record of John Maskell and Elizabeth Fox
Name John Maskell
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Fox
Event Date 1819
Event Place Wood Enderby, Lincoln, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Aug 2017 21:23

Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
Borrows James Brown Horncastle 7a 1071
Maskell Martha Horncastle 7a 1071

Sidami

Sidami Report 11 Aug 2017 21:11

Even more confused but thankyou for your help? So who is John Thomas Maskell's parents?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 Aug 2017 21:46

You need that Birth Cert...

(or perhaps contact the other GR member that has him in his 'Tree', by looks of it!)

Chris :)

(also on that 1861 above!)

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Wood Enderby
Church name St Benedict
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 225
Baptism date 18 Apr 1852
Person forename Eliza Maria
Person sex F
Person abode Wood Enderby
Father occupation Single Woman
Mother forename Martha
Mother surname MASKELL


County Lincolnshire
Place Moorby
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 40
Marriage date 31 Mar 1884
Groom forename Charles James
Groom surname BOARDMAN
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Osgodby
Groom occupation Farmer
Bride forename Eliza Maria
Bride surname MASKILL
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Moorby
Groom father forename Richard
Groom father surname BOARDMAN
Groom father occupation Farmer
Bride father forename James Benn
Bride father surname BORROWS
Bride father occupation Farmer
Witness Mary Anne CHEESEMAN
Witness James B BORROWS
Register note Bride and groom of full age

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(and possibly another for one of Daughters!)

Birth
MASKELL, JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in HORNCASTLE UNION Volume 07A Page 446


Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Wood Enderby
Church name St Benedict
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 120
Burial date 10 Dec 1855
Person age 1
Burial person forename James
Burial person surname MASKELL
Burial person abode Horncastle

Kayak

Kayak Report 12 Aug 2017 11:37

Baptism for John Thomas Maskell: (found on Lincstothepast)

Great Hale Parish records
Baptism 1854-1855

11th May 1855
Name: John Thomas
Mother: Maria Maskell
Occ: Assistant at Public House
Abode: Little Hale

(No mention of a father)

EDIT:
Public House possibly Fox's Burling/Bowling Green


Link to the image:

https://tinyurl.com/ybf9b3th

Image 2nd one down on the right hand page

Sidami

Sidami Report 12 Aug 2017 12:49

Thankyou all very much I will try and wade my way through this information, it all came at once I I just couldn't get my head round it? Thankyou for finding his mum?

Kayak

Kayak Report 12 Aug 2017 13:20

Marriage for Maria Maskell's parents that ArgyllGran posted previously:


John Maskell
mentioned in the record of John Maskell and Elizabeth Fox
Name John Maskell
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Fox
Event Date 1819
Event Place Wood Enderby, Lincoln, England


and here is the link for that marriage cert on lincstothepast showing John was from Thimbleby(image bottom right)

https://tinyurl.com/y7eqpelk


Baptism for 1st child of this marriage:

Other information in the record of Eliza Maskell
from England Births and Christenings
Name Eliza Maskell
Residence Place Thimbleby, Lincolnshire, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 1820
Christening Date (Original) 16 NOV 1820
Christening Place THIMBLEBY, LINCOLN, ENGLAND
Father's Name John Maskell
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Sidami

Sidami Report 12 Aug 2017 15:23

So it does look like Maria is the mother of John Thomas Maskell she was unmarried at the time.

Sidami

Sidami Report 12 Aug 2017 16:21

Sorted....Thankyou.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Aug 2017 16:51

(no wonder John Thomas didn't show on FreeReg, was below!)

Chris :)

County Lincolnshire
Place Great Hale
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 1346
Baptism date 11 May 1855
Person forename John Thomas
Person sex M
Person abode Little Hale
Father surname MUSSON
Mother forename Maria