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I am trying to find George in either or both 1891 and 1901 census. I have found a marriage of George Henry to Betsy Hawley Dec qtr. 1886 at Melton Mowbray and a 1911 census for Betsy (recorded as Beaty) Wiseman, 41, widow with Anne Ellen 17, Joseph 15 and Agnes Louisa 5. I have looked for both George and Betsy in 1891 and 1901 and cannot see them anywhere, therefore I don't even have a birth date or year for George Henry. If anyone can help I would be very grateful.

Anne Ellen was registered under the name WISE rather than Wiseman:

WISE, ANNIE ELLEN HAWLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 08E Page 89

Dea x

Baptism: 27 Sep 1893 St Michael, Lumb in Rossendale, Lancashire, England
Annie Ellen Wise - [Child] of George Henry Wise & Betsy
Born: 8 Sep 1893
Abode: Thrice Barn in Lumb
Occupation: Excavator
Baptised by: F H Lockett Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1925, Page 133, Entry 1045
Source: Original Parish Register

Thank-you, I found her when some-one looked up in the 1939 register as we knew who she married.

Another child?

WISEMAN, JOHN THOMAS HAWLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 07A Page 327

Andy

Certainly looks like it Andrew, thank-you

WISEMAN, AGNES LOUISA HAWLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 07A Page 322

so George is alive to c1906

Joseph also reg as Wise

WISE, JOSEPH HAWLEY
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 08E Page 86

this looks like them Betsy is born Melton Mowbray
1901 census
Name: George Osborne
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Betsy Osborne
Birth Place: Not Known, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Thurnscoe
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Ecclesiastical parish: Thurnscoe
Town: Thurnscoe
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:nos 4 and 5 The Huts

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Doncaster
Sub-registration district: Barmbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4407
Folio: 106
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members:
Name Age
George Osborne 60 occ Railway contractors horse keeper
Betsy Osborne 32born melton Mowbray
George Osborne 12 born Leicester
Joseph Osborne 7 born bacup
Nellie Osborne 6 born baacup

others is the same huts
Nellie Burbedge 18
Harriett Parker 20
Davitt Mc Kenzie 30

this is George

WISE, GEORGE ALBERT HAWLEY
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 276

note born leicester

???
1891 census
Name: Betsy Wise
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1868
Spouse: George Wise
Child: William Hy Wise
George A Wise
Birth Place: Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Staveley
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Residence Place: Railway Cottages, Staveley, Derbyshire, England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub registration district: Eckington
ED, Institution or Vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2769
Folio: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wise 49 occ Foreman of excavator plant born gravesend
Betsy Wise 23
William Hy Wise 4
George A Wise 1
Thomas Morton 56
Thomas Williams 30
John Bell 40
Charles T Wade 20
Robert Gibson 36


looks like William Henry was born before the marraige

HAWLEY, WILLIAM HENRY WISE -
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 07A Page 307

did George perhaps go back to Gravesend

Deaths Dec 1895
Wiseman George 53 Gravesend 2a 289

related thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367711?page=0

she was born a bit later

Name: Betsy Hamley
[Betsy Hawley]
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Burbidge
Mother: Ellen Burbidge
Gender: Female
Where born: Melton Mowbray
Civil Parish: Scalford
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3184
Folio: 132
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Burbidge 54 occ ag lab
Ellen Burbidge 32
John T. Hyde 13
Betsy Hamley 9
Joseph Hamley 8
Thomas H. Hamley 4
Lucy J. Hamley 3
John S. Burbage 1
Infant Burbage
Henry Sadler 37

mothers marriage
Marriages Jun 1879
BURBAGE John Melton M. 7a 481
Hawley Ellen Melton M. 7a 481

note Betsy has a mary Ellen Burbidge aged 2 with her in 1911
you would need the cert to see who her mum was
BURBAGE, MARY ELLEN -
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 07A Page 325

Name: William Hawley
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 196

Hope I havent spent time going over the records again :-(

Well done Shirley for the 1901 find - I knew they must be under a completely different name but hadn't been able to find them !!

Dea x

Yes- great find Shirley.

Are we thinking that George Osborne is really George Wiseman?

He could be Austin as age matches up !!!

would mean the gravesend death isn't him then

Looks like him below!...

Chris :)

06 May 1901 - Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England

SELLING BEER TO THE LODGERS.
On Saturday, the Doncaster West Riding Police Court, George Osborne, navvy, Thurnscoe, was summoned for selling beer without a license at Thurnscoe on the 16th of March...


Edits (for 1877 Death, posted above)

Burial
County Leicestershire
Place Melton Mowbray
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 585
Burial date 22 Mar 1877
Person age 31
Burial person forename William
Burial person surname HAWLEY
Burial person abode Pigeon Row

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Possible for George's death?:

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name WISEMAN
Gender Male
Birth year 1840
Age 71
Death quarter 1
Death year 1911
District Doncaster
County Yorkshire
Volume 9C Page 559