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I think I know the answer to this but wanted a "second pair of eyes"

Martha was born in Goodleigh (Barnstaple) Devon in 1870. In 1891 she is a servant in Swansea and in 1901 she is in Breconshire with her husband Albert Edward Harris.

There are several children born Breconshire, Bedford and Neath. In 1911, they are in Margam in Wales, married 18 years, 4 children still living, 3 having died.

I can't find a marriage which, for 1893, must be somewhere in Wales. And I can't find the third child who has died - I have Albert Ernest born/died 1896 and Albert Edward born 1903 died 1906.

So can anyone find a marriage and/or the missing child?

Jude

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HARRIS, ALBERT ERNEST JAMES PIM Order
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 83
HARRIS, FREDERICK HERBERT PIM Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 76

HARRIS, ALBERT EDWARD PIM Order
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 283
HARRIS, GEORGE BADEN PIM Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 79

HARRIS, SIDNEY EDGAR PIM Order
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 1065

slightly diff spelling
HARRIS, WILLIAM EWART PYM
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 309

they have frederick and George with them on the 1901

Name: Martha Harris
Age in 1901: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse: Albert Harris
Gender: Female
Where born: Barnstaple, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Search Photos: Search for 'St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Town: Brecon
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Brecknock
Sub-registration district: Brecknock
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 220
Piece: 5168
Folio: 100
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Harris 34
Martha Harris 29
Frederick Harris 3
George Harris 3 Months

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
HARRIS George Baden 5 W.Ham 4a 37

1911 census
Name: William Harris
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bedfordshire, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Margam
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County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 12 Station Road Port Talbot
Registration district: Neath
Registration District Number: 592
Sub-registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 32601
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Harris 44
Martha Harris 43
Frederick Harris 13
George Harris 10
William Harris 4
Sidney Harris 1
Louis Robberechts 25

but George is still living in 1911 so the west ham death must be a different boy

only picking up 6 births not 7 :-)

Oh, yes, here's the other George:

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Harris George Baden W. Ham 4a 52

???

HARRIS, ALFRED mms PIMM
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 308


Death:

HARRIS, ALFRED 0
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 177

The missing birth??

HARRIS, ALFRED PIMM Order
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 308

Dea x

Death for the above?

Deaths Sep 1904
HARRIS Alfred 0 Bedford 3b 177

Dea x

OOOoops !! - Sorry - I didn't refresh the page quick enough! - you already have these above.

Dea x

that looks a good one Argyll
the GRO didnt pick that one up using variations of spelling

same area too as William

Thanks guys...yes I had George Baden as the death and then found there were two George Badens....strange! But I did wonder about Alfred in Bedford...

But I am guessing you have all come to the same conclusion as me..they weren't really married :-)

Jude

It certainly looks like that, Jude!

Weird though that there could be TWO George Baden Harris's! There doesn't appear to be a family connection (in my case) - maybe some nod to Lord Baden-Powell????

It's so annoying that ancestors were so inconsiderate to us family researchers lol :-)

Jude

Yes, probably - re Baden Powell.

The Siege of Mafeking ended in May 1900.

A quick look on FreeBMD for births from 4th qr 1899 - 1910 with Baden as a first name reveals dozens of them!
Lots more will have it as a middle name, such as the two Georges.
Some have Powell as a middle name as well.

By comparison, in the 5 years before Dec qr 1899, there was only one!

Thanks AG...strange..but then I know someone who has the middle name Charlton after Bobby :-)

Says Father as Albert Earnest on below Jude...

Chris :)

Breconshire Baptisms Brecon, St David, Breconshire, Wales (Find My Past)

First name(s) Albert Earnest James
Last name Harris
Birth year 1896
Birth day 15
Birth month Aug
Baptism year 1896
Baptism day 19
Baptism month Nov
Father's first name(s) Albert Earnest
Mother's first name(s) Martha
(Born Aug. 15th 1896. Father occ. Watch Maker. Abode, 15 Penpentre Llanfaes)


Edits (same for below, Father just Albert. Born November 2nd 1897)

Harris Frederick Herbert 1897 — 1898 Breconshire Baptisms Brecon, St David, Breconshire, Wales

Interesting......1901 census has him a a watchmaker....have based this on my cousin's tree (his family as opposed to mine)
....quick rethink needed

Made the classic mistake of taking my cousin's tree as read :-(

Re tracked today....his grandfather was Frederick and his mother was Martha..from a WW1 military record where the address matched the address of his marriage. But his father, on the certificate which I have, is William a bridge builder. Frederick was born in Neath.

So have found marriage of William to Martha (Gertrude Shoebrook) and have found them in 1901 (him born Exeter, where they married) and in 1911 (him born Cardiff).

So can anyone find him before 1901? I believe he was born 1843 to her 1865...so maybe he was married before? Thinking of getting certificate to clarify. So only "bridge builder/constructor to go on..

I don't know when he died..she is shown as NOK in 1919 but whether this is relevant or not I do not know

Jude

OK - so . . . for reference -

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
Shoebrook Martha Gertrude Exeter 5b 102


Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Harris William Exeter 5b 190
Shoebrook Martha Gertrude Exeter 5b 190



Martha Harris
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Martha Harris
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Harris
Birth Place: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Exeter
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2044
Folio: 55
Page Number: 42
Household schedule number: 318
Household Members:
Name Age
William Harris 58 - Exeter 1843, Bridge builder
Martha Harris 36
Fred Harris 3
Wallace Harris 1




William Harris
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Harris
Age in 1911: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cardiff
Civil Parish: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 5 King Edward Street, Exeter
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Occupation: Contractor Forman
Registration district: Exeter
Registration District Number: 271
Sub-registration district: Exeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 12669
Household Members:
Name Age
William Harris 66
Martha Harris 44
Fred Harris 13
Wallace Harris 9
Edward Harris 6
Ralph Harris 4


Ralph (1906) seems to have been their last child.