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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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26 Aug 2017 15:53 |
I think I know the answer to this but wanted a "second pair of eyes"
Martha was born in Goodleigh (Barnstaple) Devon in 1870. In 1891 she is a servant in Swansea and in 1901 she is in Breconshire with her husband Albert Edward Harris.
There are several children born Breconshire, Bedford and Neath. In 1911, they are in Margam in Wales, married 18 years, 4 children still living, 3 having died.
I can't find a marriage which, for 1893, must be somewhere in Wales. And I can't find the third child who has died - I have Albert Ernest born/died 1896 and Albert Edward born 1903 died 1906.
So can anyone find a marriage and/or the missing child?
Jude
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Aug 2017 15:58 |
Results: Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: HARRIS, ALBERT ERNEST JAMES PIM Order GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 83 HARRIS, FREDERICK HERBERT PIM Order GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 76 HARRIS, ALBERT EDWARD PIM Order GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 283 HARRIS, GEORGE BADEN PIM Order GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 79 HARRIS, SIDNEY EDGAR PIM Order GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 1065
slightly diff spelling HARRIS, WILLIAM EWART PYM GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 309
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Aug 2017 16:07 |
they have frederick and George with them on the 1901 Name: Martha Harris Age in 1901: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation: Wife Spouse: Albert Harris Gender: Female Where born: Barnstaple, Devon, England Civil Parish: St Mary Search Photos: Search for 'St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Town: Brecon Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Breconshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Brecknock Sub-registration district: Brecknock ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 220 Piece: 5168 Folio: 100 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age Albert Harris 34 Martha Harris 29 Frederick Harris 3 George Harris 3 Months
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ArgyllGran
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26 Aug 2017 16:12 |
Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%) HARRIS George Baden 5 W.Ham 4a 37
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26 Aug 2017 16:12 |
1911 census Name: William Harris Age in 1911: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1907 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Bedfordshire, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Margam Search Photos: Search for 'Margam' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 12 Station Road Port Talbot Registration district: Neath Registration District Number: 592 Sub-registration district: Margam ED, institution, or vessel: 08 Household schedule number: 117 Piece: 32601 Household Members: Name Age Albert Harris 44 Martha Harris 43 Frederick Harris 13 George Harris 10 William Harris 4 Sidney Harris 1 Louis Robberechts 25
but George is still living in 1911 so the west ham death must be a different boy
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Aug 2017 16:22 |
only picking up 6 births not 7 :-)
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ArgyllGran
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26 Aug 2017 16:23 |
Oh, yes, here's the other George:
Births Sep 1900 (>99%) Harris George Baden W. Ham 4a 52
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26 Aug 2017 16:32 |
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HARRIS, ALFRED mms PIMM GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 308
Death:
HARRIS, ALFRED 0 GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 177
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Dea
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26 Aug 2017 16:40 |
The missing birth??
HARRIS, ALFRED PIMM Order GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 308
Dea x
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26 Aug 2017 16:42 |
Death for the above?
Deaths Sep 1904 HARRIS Alfred 0 Bedford 3b 177
Dea x
OOOoops !! - Sorry - I didn't refresh the page quick enough! - you already have these above.
Dea x
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Aug 2017 16:43 |
that looks a good one Argyll the GRO didnt pick that one up using variations of spelling
same area too as William
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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26 Aug 2017 17:08 |
Thanks guys...yes I had George Baden as the death and then found there were two George Badens....strange! But I did wonder about Alfred in Bedford...
But I am guessing you have all come to the same conclusion as me..they weren't really married :-)
Jude
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ArgyllGran
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26 Aug 2017 17:11 |
It certainly looks like that, Jude!
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26 Aug 2017 17:21 |
Weird though that there could be TWO George Baden Harris's! There doesn't appear to be a family connection (in my case) - maybe some nod to Lord Baden-Powell????
It's so annoying that ancestors were so inconsiderate to us family researchers lol :-)
Jude
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ArgyllGran
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26 Aug 2017 17:26 |
Yes, probably - re Baden Powell.
The Siege of Mafeking ended in May 1900.
A quick look on FreeBMD for births from 4th qr 1899 - 1910 with Baden as a first name reveals dozens of them! Lots more will have it as a middle name, such as the two Georges. Some have Powell as a middle name as well.
By comparison, in the 5 years before Dec qr 1899, there was only one!
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26 Aug 2017 17:46 |
Thanks AG...strange..but then I know someone who has the middle name Charlton after Bobby :-)
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26 Aug 2017 18:49 |
Says Father as Albert Earnest on below Jude...
Chris :)
Breconshire Baptisms Brecon, St David, Breconshire, Wales (Find My Past)
First name(s) Albert Earnest James Last name Harris Birth year 1896 Birth day 15 Birth month Aug Baptism year 1896 Baptism day 19 Baptism month Nov Father's first name(s) Albert Earnest Mother's first name(s) Martha (Born Aug. 15th 1896. Father occ. Watch Maker. Abode, 15 Penpentre Llanfaes)
Edits (same for below, Father just Albert. Born November 2nd 1897)
Harris Frederick Herbert 1897 — 1898 Breconshire Baptisms Brecon, St David, Breconshire, Wales
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26 Aug 2017 19:21 |
Interesting......1901 census has him a a watchmaker....have based this on my cousin's tree (his family as opposed to mine) ....quick rethink needed
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27 Aug 2017 17:43 |
Made the classic mistake of taking my cousin's tree as read :-(
Re tracked today....his grandfather was Frederick and his mother was Martha..from a WW1 military record where the address matched the address of his marriage. But his father, on the certificate which I have, is William a bridge builder. Frederick was born in Neath.
So have found marriage of William to Martha (Gertrude Shoebrook) and have found them in 1901 (him born Exeter, where they married) and in 1911 (him born Cardiff).
So can anyone find him before 1901? I believe he was born 1843 to her 1865...so maybe he was married before? Thinking of getting certificate to clarify. So only "bridge builder/constructor to go on..
I don't know when he died..she is shown as NOK in 1919 but whether this is relevant or not I do not know
Jude
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27 Aug 2017 19:01 |
OK - so . . . for reference -
Births Sep 1865 (>99%) Shoebrook Martha Gertrude Exeter 5b 102
Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%) Harris William Exeter 5b 190 Shoebrook Martha Gertrude Exeter 5b 190
Martha Harris in the 1901 England Census Name: Martha Harris Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: William Harris Birth Place: Exeter, Devon, England Civil Parish: Exeter Ecclesiastical parish: St David County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Exeter Sub-registration district: Exeter ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2044 Folio: 55 Page Number: 42 Household schedule number: 318 Household Members: Name Age William Harris 58 - Exeter 1843, Bridge builder Martha Harris 36 Fred Harris 3 Wallace Harris 1
William Harris in the 1911 England Census Name: William Harris Age in 1911: 66 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Cardiff Civil Parish: Exeter County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: 5 King Edward Street, Exeter Marital Status: Married Years Married: 14 Estimated Marriage Year: 1897 Occupation: Contractor Forman Registration district: Exeter Registration District Number: 271 Sub-registration district: Exeter ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 110 Piece: 12669 Household Members: Name Age William Harris 66 Martha Harris 44 Fred Harris 13 Wallace Harris 9 Edward Harris 6 Ralph Harris 4
Ralph (1906) seems to have been their last child.
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