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It's a mystery alright Wendy.

On the marriage cert does it give Richard's occupation ?

Hello Nyx
I received the marriage cert for Richard Oakley(aged27 yrs) and Sarah Daniels (aged 24 yrs) today.
They married 12/08/1880 in The Registry Office, St George in the East.
Father of groom says George Oakley,a labourer
Father of the bride says James Daniel (deceased),a labourer,
Witness 1 Frederick Thomas John Danvers
Witness 2 Charlotte Danvers ( née Daniels )

From the info we have I believe that William Brown is Richard Oakley.Why did he,between August 1880 and the 1881 census,change his name ?? It is very frustrating.
Wendy

First name(s) George
Last name Oakley
Name note -
Marriage year 1840
Marriage date 23 Feb 1840
Marriage place Medstead
Father's first name(s) Stephen
Father's last name Oakley
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline
Spouse's last name Broad
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Broad
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Catherine here too though

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Nr Church, The Village, Medstead, Alton, Hampshire, England


George Oakley Head Married Male 64 1817 Agri Labourer Medstead, Hampshire, England Transcription
Catherine Oakley Wife Married Female 60 1821 - Hampshire, England
Frederick Oakley Son Single Male 21 1860 Agri Labourer Medstead, Hampshire, England
Herbert Oakley Son Single Male 16 1865 Agri Labourer Medstead, Hampshire, England T
Anne E Oakley Daughter Single Female 18 1863 ((Agri Labourer)) Medstead, Hampshire, England

Maybe?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Manor Farm, Lasham, Alton, Hampshire, England


John W Parker Head - Male 58 1813 - Hampshire, England
Martha Parker Wife - Female 46 1825 - Hampshire, England
Thomas Parker Son - Male 15 1856 - Hampshire, England
Mary Parker Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Hampshire, England
Emma Wise Servant - Female 35 1836 - Hampshire, England
Charlotte Spiers Servant - Female 21 1850 - Hampshire, England
Jeremiah Messenger Sheppard - Male 42 1829 - Hampshire, England
Charles Dash Carter - Male 19 1852 - Hampshire, England
Richard Oakley Carter Boy - Male 18 1853 - Hampshire, England <<<<<<<<<

OAKLEY, LEVI BROAD Order
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 141

OAKLEY, HERBERT BROAD Order
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 135

Caroline has been entered as Catherine here, but it is same family

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Street, Medstead, Alton, Hampshire, England


George Oakley Head - Male 54 1817 - Hampshire, England
Catherine Oakley Wife - Female 50 1821 - Hampshire, England
Lennox Oakley Son - Male 20 1851 - Hampshire, England
Frederick Oakley Son - Male 12 1859 - Hampshire, England
Levi Oakley Son - Male 10 1861 - Hampshire, England
Ann Oakley Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Hampshire, England
Herbert Oakley Son - Male 6 1865 - Hampshire, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Private, Medstead Street, Medstead, Alton, Hampshire, England


George Oakley Head Married Male 44 1817 Agricultural Labourer Medstead, Hampshire, England
Caroline Oakley Wife Married Female 40 1821 - Hampshire, England
John Oakley Son - Male 12 1849 Shepherd Boy Medstead, Hampshire, England
Lean Oakley Son - Male 10 1851 Shepherd Boy Medstead, Hampshire, England
Richard Oakley Son - Male 8 1853 - Medstead, Hampshire, England
George Oakley Son - Male 6 1855 - Medstead, Hampshire, England
Charles Oakley Son - Male 4 1857 - Medstead, Hampshire, England
Frederic Oakley Son - Male 2 1859 - Medstead, Hampshire, England
Levi Oakley Son - Male 0 1861 - Medstead, Hampshire, England

I did think that might be possible. Worth looking at, and worth buying the marriage cert for any clues it might give, father's name or witnesses that may be family?

Hi
re Richard Oakley
As I said earlier I think that William Brown and Richard Oakley might be one and the same.There is no death registration for Richard between the Marriage in 1880 to Richard and the 1881 census where Sarah appears with William Brown
In 1891 William Brown says he was born in Alton Hants.
A Richard Oakley was registered in Alton and baptised on 8/09/1852 in Medstead (a parish in Alton ) Hants.Richard's parents were George and Caroline. Two of the children were George James and Ada Caroline .
Also when son Richard married he gave his father's name as Richard.
Wendy

Hi Again
Sarah Daniels married Richard Oakley Sep Qtr in 1880.In 1881 she is living with William Browm but there is no death record for Richard Oakley which fits the dates above.Do you think it possible that William Brown is Richard Oakley,All the children born in the following ten years were registered as Oakley.I'm not sure about the 3 week old John in 1891 but he must have been the child who died (mentioned on 1911 census)
Wendy

Hello All
Yes I will send for the marriage cert and I will certainly let you know the details.
Regards
Wendy

Wendy if you do get the marriage cert please come back and let us know who Richard's father was if named, it's an interesting one :-)

Wow
Thanks everyone I do believe you have solved my problem.
Thanks again !!!
Wendy

If you get their marriage cert it will give his age and fathers name ,if known

Marriages Sep 1880
Daniels Sarah St. Geo. East 1c 802
Oakley Richard St. Geo. East 1c 802

1881 just a possible though it says he's single.


First name(s) Richard
Last name Oakley
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 36
Birth year 1845
Occupation General Labourer
Birth town Hackney
Birth town as transcribed HACKNEY
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House name Hackney Union Workhouse
Street Sidney Road Homerton
Town -
Parish Hackney
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Hackney
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 310
Folio 81
Page 14
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England
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herbert in 1911

22 Watlington Grove Lower Sydenham S E, Lewisham, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Herbert Richard Oakley Head Married Male Stationary Engine Driver 29 1882 Bucks Colnbrooks
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Florence Emily Oakley Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Sydenham
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Winifred Gladys Oakley Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Sydenham
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Herbert William Oakley Son - Male School 5 1906 Sydenham
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George Leslie Oakley Son - Male - 3 1908 Sydenham
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Doris May Oakley Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Sydenham
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No Name Oakley Son - Male - 0 1911 Sydenham
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William Robinson Screech Boarder Widower Male Pensioner 73 1838 Devonport

1939
akley Household (4 People) 6 Watlington Grove , Lewisham, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Herbert R Oakley 03 Oct 1881 Male 5th Suburban Gas Company Engine Room Attendant Married 227 1
Florence E Oakley 08 Aug 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 227 2
Walter J Oakley 08 Mar 1911 Male 5th Suburban Gas Company Tramed Fitter Single 227 3
Cecila V Oakley 28 Apr 1915 Female Ladies Laundress Unemployed Single 227 4

As this is where Herbert was born? I won't put all the names on the page as they are all lodgers


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Beer Shop the Bricklayers Arms, Horton, Eton, Buckinghamshire, England

William Brown Lodger Married Male 27 1854 Laborer Agricultural Hounslow, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Brown Lodger Married Female 25 1856 Laundress Hounslow, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<

Looking for Herbert, i think this might be him mistranscribed?

BROWN, HERBERT RICHARD mmn DAMELLS Order
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in ETON Volume 03A Page 548

Name: Ada Caroline Oakley
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Age: 25
Spouse: Alfred Walter Hughes
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Sep 1913
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Southfields
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Richard William Oakley ---labourer
Spouse Father: Israel Hughes
Register Type: Parish Register

witness Annie Martha Rose

It's Annie Martha Oakley on FreeBMD:


Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
OAKLEY Annie Martha Wandsworth 1d 1237
ROSE John Wandsworth 1d 1237