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Kuros

Kuros Report 8 Sep 2017 14:17

I've been searching for census information on this lady for ages. Here's what I know.

Florence Ann or Annie Probert, born in July 1887 in Tredegar, parents possibly John and Mary Ann. Possible baptism in Tredegar in August 1887.

She married Benjamin Bevan in 1907 in Bedwellty district. He emigrated to Canada with their son, Jack, in 1929 and never returned. I have details of the voyage.

In 1939 she is living with her daughter, Florrie, in Abergavenny.

She died in Ebbw Vale in 1955.

I have failed to find her on any census after her birth so can anyone please help with that? I bet I've missed something obvious or done something stupid.

Annie

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Sep 2017 14:45

Is this them 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back of Charles Street Tredegar, Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Benjamin Bevan Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 24 1887 Dukestown Breaconshire
Florence A Bevan Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Tredegar Monmouthshire
William John Bevan Son - Male - 2 1909 Tredegar Monmouthshire

Married 3 years. 2 children born 1 has died

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 8 Sep 2017 14:46

Is this the possible for ref please?

1891

Name: Flora Probert
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Probert
Mother's name: Mary A Probert
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Town: Heolwermwd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4437
Folio: 51
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
John Probert 41
Mary A Probert 41
William J Probert 16
Thomas J Probert 14
Mary E Probert 12
Charles H Probert 9
David L Probert 6
Kate A Probert 6
Flora Probert 4
Pritchard M Probert 2
Thomas D Probert 6/12

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Sep 2017 14:48

and the marriage you refer to

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
BEVAN Benjamin Bedwellty 11a 150 <<<<<<<<<<<
BRIMBLE Mary Elizabeth Bedwelty 11a 150
DOWNES George Bedwellty 11a 150
JONES Margaret Ann Bedwelty 11a 150
PROBERT Florence Annie Bedwelty 11a 150 <<<<<<<<<<
WILLIAMS John Thomas Bedwelty 11a 150


Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 14:48

for ref


Monmouthshire Marriages and Banns Transcription
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First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Bevan
Age 20
Birth year 1887
Year 1907
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1907
Marriage date 06 Apr 1907
Residence -
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Bevan
Place Bedwellty
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) Florence Annie
Spouse's last name Probert
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's residence -
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Probert
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

Kuros

Kuros Report 8 Sep 2017 14:50

Thank you so much. I don't know how I missed that. I'm not sure about the Merthyr one, the siblings' names don't fit the information I've been given. I've looked at that one before. Think I'll have another close look.

Annie

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 8 Sep 2017 14:52

PROBERT, WILLIAM JOHN mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 447

Kuros

Kuros Report 8 Sep 2017 14:53

Thanks, Maddie, I didn't have the exact marriage date.

Annie

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Sep 2017 14:54


Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BEVAN, MARY ELIZABETH PROBERT Order
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 141

BEVAN, WILLIAM JOHN PROBERT Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 111

BEVAN, ISABELLA LYDIA PROBERT Order
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 227

Not seeing a birth for Florrie c1917 as per 1939 register

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Sep 2017 14:55

1939 register

Jones Household (3 People)
Sunny Bank , Abergavenny R.D., Monmouthshire, Wales

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Florence A Bevan 02 Jul 1887 Female Unpaid Household Dut Married 12 2
Mary Ann Jones 19 Oct 1853 Female (Invalid) Unpaid Household Widowed 12 1
Florence Williams (Bevan) 28 Jul 1917 Female Daughter Assisting M Single 12 3

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 15:01

???????????????? FROM CESUS POSTED ABOVE

PROBERT, WILLIAM JOHN DAVIES Order
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 438

PROBERT, THOMAS JAMES DAVIES Order
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 432

PROBERT, FLORENCE EDITH DAVIES Order
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 505

PROBERT, DAVID LLOYD DAVIES Order
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 562

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Thistle Broom Cottage, 3, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Probert Head Married Male 51 1850 Ostler Below Ground Stanton, Herefordshire, England
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Mary Ann Probert Wife Married Female 51 1850 - Clyro, Radnorshire, Wales
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Charles Harris Probert Son Single Male 19 1882 Horse Driver Below Ground Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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David Lloyd Probert Son Single Male 16 1885 Horse Driver In Timber Yard Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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Florence Edith Probert Daughter Single Female 14 1887 School Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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Pritchard Morgan Probert Son Single Male 11 1890 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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Llewellyn Francis Probert Son Single Male 9 1892 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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John Davies Cousin Single Male 9 1892 - Hay, Breconshire, Wales
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William O Keefe Boarder Widower Male 32 1869 Brickworks Labourer -
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Mary O Keeffe Boarder Single Female 3 1898 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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Patrick Driscoll Boarder Widower Male 29 1872 Colliery Labourer Below Ground -
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James Hooker Boarder Single Male 16 1885 Groom Livery Stables Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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John James Martin Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Coachman Domestic Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 8 Sep 2017 15:22

Maddie thats Florence Edith

PROBERT, PRITCHARD MORGAN DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in OF MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 519

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 15:25

sorry i know , thinking it would rule the 1891 census family out.

Kuros

Kuros Report 8 Sep 2017 15:27

Florence Williams (Bevan) on the 1939 was born Florrie Bromley in 1917 in Crickhowell district but was taken in by another family when her mother died and they changed her name to Bevan. I suspect her mother had had a ding-dong with the Bevan man and he was her natural father. Her father gave her to this man soon after her mother died. Her marriage cert has Bromley-Bevan. Thank you all for your help. I have to go hospital visiting now but will return to this later to follow up all this info.

Annie

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 15:35

just in case as she married here

FLORENCE ANN
Last name PROBERT
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Bedwellty
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 107
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

the baptism mentioned in opening post

Florence Annie
Last name Probert
Birth year 1887
Baptism year 1887
Baptism day 10
Baptism month Aug
Place Tredegar, St George
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann
Page 2
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 8 Sep 2017 15:46


Florence A Devan

in the 1911 Wales Census
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Name: Florence A Devan
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Tredegar
Search Photos: Search for 'Tredegar' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Bach Of Coach I Horses Inn Charles St Tredegar
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 3
Estimated Marriage Year: 1908
Registration district: Bedwellty
Registration District Number: 585
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Household schedule number: 190
Piece: 31854
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Devan 24
Florence A Devan 23
William Jhon Devan 2

There is also another child entered on the form and then crossed out so that one must have died. Mary Elizabeth Bevan aged 3 born Dumberton Beaconshire??

2 children born 1 died.

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 16:04

Charles
Last name Probert
Birth year 1887
Baptism year 1887
Baptism day 01
Baptism month Mar
Place Tredegar, St George
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann
Page 96
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

could this be the family

1891
Name: Florie A Jones
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Moses Jones
Mother's name: Mary A Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Tredegar
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4355
Folio: 106
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Moses Jones 34
Mary A Jones 37
William J Jones 6
Charlie Probert 6 --- born tredegar
Florie A Jones 3


Moses
Last name Jones
Age 32
Birth year 1857
Year 1889
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1889
Marriage date 26 Aug 1889
Residence -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Jones
Place Bedwellty
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Probert
Spouse's age 35
Spouse's residence -
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Jeffries
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 16:24

???????????

JOHN
Last name PROBERT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1843
Age 45
Death quarter 2
Death year 1888
District Bedwellty
County Monmouthshire
Volume 11A
Page 72
Country Wales
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 16:27

1901
28, Earl Street, Tredegar, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Moses Jones Head Married Male 42 1859 Coal Miner Hewer Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales
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Mary A Jones Wife Married Female 45 1856 - London, Middlesex, England
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Charles P Jones Son - Male 16 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Transcription
William J Jones Son - Male 16 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Transcription
Florence A Jones Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Transcription
Morgan H Jones Son - Male 10 1891 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Transcription
George B Jones Son - Male 7 1894 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Transcription
Thomas O Jones Son - Male 5 1896 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2017 16:39

mary anns marriage to john


Monmouthshire Marriages and Banns Transcription
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First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Jeffries
Age 20
Birth year 1853
Year 1873
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 08 Jul 1873
Residence -
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Jeffries
Place Llanfoist
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Probert
Spouse's age 31
Spouse's residence -
Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's father's last name Probert
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Charles Street, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Probert Head Married Male 38 1843 Coal Miner Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Mary A A Probert Wife Married Female 27 1854 - City of London, Middlesex, England
Transcription
John Probert Son Single Male 1 1880 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
Transcription
Thomas Jeffries Brother In Law Single Male 15 18666 -----
Bootmakers Apprentice Herefordshire, England
Transcription
Census details
First name(s) John
Last name Probert