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Just to add, Sister of Stephen James also Married 1909 (25th December) 11, Goodwin Road, Edmonton. (she was a witness at his Marriage)

(looking on Ancestry, London Marriages)

Chris :)

1939 (Find My Past)

32 Lambs Terrace , Edmonton M.B., Middlesex,
Frederick C Pateman 10 Apr 1888 Male Milling Machine Armaments Heavy Worker Married
Louisa Pateman 01 Nov 1888 (1st Mar) Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Daisy E Brown (Pateman) 18 Jan 1917 Female Punch Press Operator Telephone Parts Single


1911 (Find My Past)
Frederick Charles Pateman Head Married Male Gardener 22 1889 Edmonton Midx
Louisa Pateman Wife Married Female - 23 1888 London England
Louisa Pateman Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Edmonton Midx
22 Goodwin Road Lr Edmonton, Edmonton, Middlesex
Census reference RG14 PN7378 RG78 PN357 RD132 SD5 ED28 SN271


All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

Louisa Wilson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 May 1888 (Born 1st March)
Father's name: Stephen James Wilson
Mother's name: Jane Maria Wilson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Red Lion Square

Complicated or what.

Jane Maria Thompson who married Stephen James Wilson had a sister Caroline Thompson 1868/9 St Giles Middlesex and is with the Wilson family in 1891.

It looks as though she was the mum of Robert Leslie Wilson 1913 Edmonton posted earlier.

They are on electoral rolls 69,lowden Road Enfield 1936.
In this family there was also a Caroline Rosina Wilson 1892

1911 married 20 years 8 children
We have William Wilson 1870
Caroline 1868 (Thompson?) I can't find a for them marriage until 1916.

Stephen James Wilson 1862 had brother William 1869 Holborn so is this the one with Caroline Thompson?

Parents of Stephen James 1862 and William 1869 were Stephen Wilson @ 1823 Buckinghamshire and Rosina (Turner) according to birth records for Stephen James and William.

Stephen Wilson married Rosina Turner J/F/M 1860 Lambeth V1d P317

Stephen 1823 died before 1881 as Rosina/Roseana is now under the name Collins married to Charles Collins born 1841 St Giles

Maryb.

Sounds likely, but where was Grace in 1911? :-|

Or perhaps the father registered birth, and when 'what is mother's maiden name' was asked, he gave his own mother's maiden name!

Do you think Grace was reg as Wilson mmn Thompson in error, if it was her grandmother who registered her? If asked maiden name she just said her own??

Wilson Household (1 Person)
Goodwin Road , Edmonton M.B., Middlesex, England

Stephen J Wilson 15 Nov 1862 Male House Decorator Retired Widowed 93 1


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Goodwin Road Lr Edmonton, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Stephen James Wilson Head Married Male House Painter 49 1862 Middlesex St Georges
Jane Maria Wilson Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Middlesex St Giles
Robert Henry Wilson Son Single Male Nursery Assistant 16 1895 Middlesex St Lukes
Eva Lilian Wilson Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Middlesex Tottenham
Caroline Ivy Wilson Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Middlesex Edmonton

14 children born, 5 still living

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) STEPHEN J
Last name WILSON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1862
Age 84
Death quarter 4
Death year 1946
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Volume 5E
Page 433
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England


First name(s) STEPHEN J
Last name WILSON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1883
Age 60
Death quarter 4
Death year 1943
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Volume 3A
Page 1019
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

ooh Mary lol curiouser and curiouser

Stephen James Wilson born @ 1862 mum nee Turner married Jane Maria Thompson J/A/S 1882.

I can't find their sons birth on GRO
Stephen James Wilson @ 1883!!
Baptised 3/12/1882

edit found it now Wilson spelt with LL

Maryb.

:-S

WILSON, ROBERT LESLIE mmn THOMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 284

But where did the Thompson come from on daughter Grace birth reg?

James Kelly married Sarah Spakes 17/4/1881 Hammersmith da Thomas Spakes but should read SPOKES

Sarah Spokes born 12/2/1860 in Chiswick to Thomas and Mary Spokes nee Russell
Thomas Spokes born @ 1826 in Kensington.

1881 Mary Spokes widow is with James and Sarah Kelly.

Grace Kelly mum nee Spokes born S QTR 1888 01d 171

Maryb.

Same family in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
140 Wellbourne Road, Tottenham, Middlesex, England


James Kelly Head Married Male General Labourer 52 1859 Middlesex West Drayton
Sarah Kelly Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Middlesex Chiswick
James Henry Kelly Son Single Male Bootmaker Finisher 26 1885 Middlesex Clapton
Florence May Kelly Daughter Single Female Bootmaker Inker 20 1891 Surrey Walworth
Ada Eliza Kelly Daughter Single Female Bootmaker Inker 18 1893 Essex Leyton
Elsie Kelly Daughter Single Female Dressmaker 15 1896 Essex Leyton
Lily Kelly Daughter - Female School 13 1898 Essex Leyton
Rosina Kelly Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Essex Walthamston
Alice Kelly Daughter - Female School 8 1903 Essex Walthamston

Possible then ? Note there is a sister Rosina, which may account for the later Grace having middle name Rosina?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Clarence Road, Walthamstow, West Ham, London, England


James Kelly Head Married Male 41 1860 Board School Caretaker Middlesex, England
Sarah Kelly Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Chiswick, Middlesex, England
James H Kelly Son Single Male 17 1884 Frame Maker Clapton, Middlesex, England
Grace Kelly Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Walworth, Surrey, England <<<<<<
Florence M Kelly Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Walworth, Surrey, England
Herbert Kelly Son - Male 9 1892 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Ada E Kelly Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Leyton, Essex, England
Elsie Kelly Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Leyton, Essex, England
Lilian Kelly Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Leyton, Essex, England
Rosina B Kelly Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Walthamstow, Essex, England

Lesley does have the wrong Grace- nice work Mary:

Marriage:
Name: Grace Kelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Age: 21
Spouse: Stephen James Wilson
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 May 1909
Parish: St Peter, Lower Edmonton
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: James Kelly
Spouse Father: Stephen James Wilson

Maybe you have the wrong Grace Kelly

You have
1911 6 Rose Cottage Curnick lane Chapel Road Norwood
dad Alfred a Decorator sister Edith born @ 1896

17/1/1916 West Dulwich
Edward White 31 married Grace Kelly 27 of 6,Rose Cottage Chapel Rd Norwood dad Alfred Kelly House Decorator witness by Alfred and Edith Kelly.

Maryb.

1936 electoral register:

42 Sweet Briar Road

Stephen James Wilson
Grace Wilson
Grace Louisa Rosina Wilson
------------------------

On 1939 register she's listed with surname Long. She is also on the electoral register in 1938 & 1939 with a Sidney Arthur Long.

her death?

First name(s) GRACE L R
Last name LONG
Gender Female
Birth year 1910
Age 30
Death quarter 3
Death year 1940
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Volume 3A Page 1180

is this David in 1881



David Jones
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name David Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District Bedwelty
Residence Note Back Union Street
Gender Male
Age 9
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1872
Birthplace Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Page Number 52
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5242/145
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
David Jones Head M 34 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Rebbeca Jones Wife F 33 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Margret Jones Daughter F 12 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
David Jones Son M 9 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Alice Jones Daughter F 7 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch

and 1911
Name: David Jones
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Tredegar
Search Photos: Search for 'Tredegar' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 19
Estimated Marriage Year: 1892
Occupation: Haulier (below ground)
Registration district: Bedwellty
Registration District Number: 585
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 319
Piece: 31853
Household Members:
Name Age
David Jones 38
Rebecca Jones 3 --- naamed after grandmother ??
Peter Ambey 37
Catherine Ann Jones 35
Glowdys Jones 17
Florence Jones 15
Thomas Henry Jones 11
David Jones 9
Reginald Jones 8
William Watkins Jones 6

JONES, DAVID REES Order
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 110

DAVID
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1868
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DAVID JONES married one of these people
Rebecca Rees, Ann Williams
District Bedwellty
District number -
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 118

The Grace Louisa Rosina Wilson born born 1910 I am not sure about, i can't find her with parents but think this is her marriage in 1936

Marriages Dec 1936 (>99%)

Warren Sydney Wilson Edmonton 3a 1671
Wilson Grace L R Warren Edmonton 3a 1671

safc. the 1939 census is correct, but not the 1911 where that stephen born 1880 mine is 1882.. thank you i have more information in 15 mins than serching for the past 2 years. wish I could find my great grandfather details so quick. hes DAVID JONES BORN TREDGAR WALES BORN 1872/3 MARRIED CATHERINE ANN WATKINS ON THE 6TH MARCH 1892... THE CATCH IS HIS FATHER WAS DAVID JONES......HER FATHER JOHN WATKINS IVE STORED THAT LINE BUT JONES........ THANKS...

NYX. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AS ABOVE HOW QUICK YOU HAVE SORTED IT. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENCE. BUT GRACE LOUISA MUST HAVE DIED, COS THE FAMILY NEVER MENTIONED HER. ....

THANKS YOU BOTH SO MUCH