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don't think it's mine my John was born in yorkshire 1824.I know what you mean about the saddler bit ??

Just throwing this into the mix. Probably just a red herring though.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dyche Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

John Killyroy Head - Male 51 1820 - Ireland
John Hornby Lodger - Male 46 1825 - Warwickshire, England

And many other names. John is a sadler, unmarried, from Skipton, Warwickshire?

Well it was just a long shot that it was the same John who had dropped part of his name.
:-(

Yes I have those it is Sadler

I know what you mean I've looked for so long nothing shows up for any of them in 1871 not knowing what name Frederic would use I've looked for Rogers and Hornby nothing until Foster marries and 1881 when his father John is living with him
The 1851 census with fanny and John isn't John Hornby it is John Rogers her 1st husband

Thank you for your time I think I will have to accept that I'll never know what happened to the family

Nyx I think it could read Sadler spelt wrong.

1851 for John Hornby.

Name: John Hornby
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Hornby
Mother's name: Ellen Hornby
Gender: Male
Where born: Harewood, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Wighill
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: SADDLER

Registration district: Tadcaster
Sub-registration district: Appleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 2352
Folio: 669
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hornby 60 1791 Horton in Ribblesdale, Yorkshire, Groom
Ellen Hornby 49 1802 Harewood, Yorkshire
Samuel Hornby 26 1825 Harewood, Yorkshire Journeyman Grocer
William Hornby 19 1832 Wighill, Yorkshire Groom
John Hornby 28 1823 Harewood, Yorkshire Saddler
Ellen Hornby 15 1836 Wighill, Yorkshire
Mary Elizabeth Hornby 9 1842 Wighill, Yorkshire
Robert Toster Hornby 4 1847 Wighill, Yorkshire (this reads Robert Foster Hornby)

Forgot to post this!

Nyx I looked and looked for those and could'nt find them. So that looks like they necer married.

It may be a stupid question, but are you sure that John Hornby and John Rogers aren't the same person?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Broad Lane Cheetwood, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire, England

John Rogers Head Married Male 25 1826 Foreman Tailor Caernarvonshire, Wales Transcription
Fanny Rogers Wife Married Female 22 1829 - Knutsford, Cheshire, England Transcription
Henry Rogers Son Unmarried Male 1 1850 - Salford, Lancashire, England

I know the POB is out in 1861, as it also is with Fanny, but where occupation has been transcribed as "Porter" I read it as Tailer same occupation as John Rogers?

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

13, Cornbrook Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Chorlton, Lancashire, England


John Hornby Head Married Male 37 1824 Porter *** ( Tailer) Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Fanny Hornby Wife Married Female 32 1829 - Pontypool, Cheshire, England
Henry R Hornby Son - Male 11 1850 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
John K Hornby Son - Male 9 1852 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Frederick H Hornby Son - Male 6 1855 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Forster Hornby Son - Male 5 1856 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

For ref

Births Mar 1856 (>99%)

ROGERS Foster Hornby Salford 8d 85

ROGERS, FOSTER HORNBY GREENHALL Order
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 85

ROGERS, FREDERIC HORNBY GREENHALL Order
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 66

ROGERS, HENRY GREENHALL Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 20 Page 855

It's getting complicated now

I meant John Rogers isn't my ancestor he was Fanny's first husband
John Hornby was Fanny's 2nd Husband he is my ancestor

Yes John was alive in 1871 This Foster is his son the sibling of Henry Rogers, John Rogers and Frederic Hornby Rogers

And John was living with Foster in 1881 but nothing after that

I think I tried to get who was living at 9 Holbrook St in 1871 where Foster and Martha gave as their address on marriage certificate but think it was empty
There was some thing about couple using the same address so they saved money??

Well below was Marriage, so John still alive for 1871 (you probably have below)

Chris :)

County Lancashire
Place Ancoats
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 82
Marriage date 19 Aug 1876
Groom forename Foster
Groom surname HORNBY
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 9 Holbrook S.
Groom occupation Dyer
Bride forename Martha
Bride surname WOODHOUSE
Bride age 19
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 9 Holbrook S.
Bride occupation Piecer
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname HORNBY
Groom father occupation Sadler
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname WOODHOUSE
Bride father occupation Spinner
Witness John LLOYD
Witness Martha MITCHELL
Register note Bride/Groom/Witness 2 signed X

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Baptism
County Lancashire
Place Ancoats
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 339
Baptism date 12 Oct 1879
Birth date 20 Dec 1878
Person forename Frederic
Person abode 12 Indigo St
Father forename Foster
Father surname HORNBY
Father occupation Dyer
Mother forename Martha


Burial
County Lancashire
Place Ardwick
Church name Cemetery
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 1094
Burial date 24 Apr 1861
Person age 32
Burial person forename Fanny
Burial person surname HORNBY
Burial person abode 13 Cornbrook Place
Register note Disease: Bronchitis/ Grave No

John's baptism

Name: John Hornby
Age: 0
Birth Date: 7 Feb 1824
Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1824
Baptism Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Harewood, All Saints
Search Photos: Search for 'Harewood, All Saints' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Hornby
Mother: Eleanor Hornby

Don't understand that. You say John is'nt really family. John is supposedly Foster's father???????????????????????????

No I haven't got the certificate As John isn't really my family

Chris Ho Yes that is mine but as I said on that one I have so many Fosters in my tree back to 1755 when a John Hornby married a Jane Ann Foster

But I'm not interested in Foster it is his father and siblings in 1871 after their mother Fanny Died

Yes that is Samuel in 1841 with his 2 youngest children he had quite a few as he was married twice ranging from about 1790 -1831

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353595

(was that him above?)

I have seen her marriage to John Rogers. Have you got the cert?

Never found the Marriage for John Hornby and fanny but when she died in 1861 it had spouse ?

But it's John Hornby 1824
and the sons in 1871 that I haven't been able to find
Foster married and as you have the 1881 census John was living with his son Foster

1841

Name: Samuel Greenall
Age: 78
Estimated birth year: abt 1763
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Knutsford
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Knutsford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 93
Book: 8
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Greenall 78
Fanny Greenall 12
Henry Greenall 9

This person is further down the page on the 1841 census

Name: Sarah Greenshall
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1789
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Knutsford
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Knutsford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 93
Book: 8
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Greenshall 52
Jane Greenshall 30
James Greenshall 13

I can't find a marriage of Fanny Rogers to John Hornby.

fanny's father was Samuel Greenall
she married John Rogers who's father was Richard Rogers

This is alll a bit confusing.

First marriage.

Name: Fanny Greenall
Birth Year: abt 1829
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1849
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Samuel Greenall
Spouse's Name: John Rogers*****************************
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Rogers A Joiner
Archive Roll: 716

Fanny's father Samuel Greenall a Thread Maker