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Hello to all
Thank you so much for your help, I could not have gathered this information, it is all so very interesting my husband and father-in-law are truly grateful. I am now as suggested practicing with the FreeBMD facility and I am getting some of what you have already posted so I guess practice is the key. Your knowledge and kindness is much appreciated.

Kind Regards
Shelly :-)

Marriages Sep 1870
BOWERS Harriet Stockport 8a 108 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FERNS William Stockport 8a 108
Swindells John Stockport 8a 108 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stanop Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England

Harriett Wood Head - Female 70 1811 - York, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth A Bowers Lodger Married Female 22 1859 - Mossley, Lancashire, England
Joseph Deweny Boarder Single Male 21 1860 - Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Pamela Ward Boarder Single Female 13 1868 - Mossley, Lancashire, England
Harriett A Bowers Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Cheshire, England

Although Elizabeth states she's married in 1891, there is no mmn given on the GRO on James Henry's birth registration.


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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bennett Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England

John Swindells Lodger - Male 56 1815 - Cheshire, England
Harriet Swindells Wife - Female 53 1818 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth A Bowers Step-Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Lancashire, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Portland Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England


Ellen Cornwall Head Married Female 29 1862 Cotton Operative Cardroom Lancashire, England
Victoria E Cornwall Daughter - Female 8 1883 - Warwickshire, England
Alice Cornwall Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Lancashire, England

Elizabeth A Bowers Lodger Married Female 31 1860 Cotton Weaver Lancashire, England
Bertha Bowers Lodger - Female 9 1882 - Lancashire, England
James H Bowers Lodger - Male 7 1884 - Lancashire, England
Ada Bowers Lodger - Female 0 1891 - Lancashire, England

and a third set of records ! This one also names his mother Elizabeth Ann Bowers, and a sister Bertha

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) James
Last name Bowers
Age 18
Birth year 1884
Birth town Ashton Under Lyne
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 7037
Regiment King's Shropshire Light Infantry
Year 1902
Residence town Dukinfield
Residence county Cheshire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

Another set of military records for same James ( it continues onto the documents on other entry)


British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) James
Last name Bowers
Age 16
Birth year 1884
Birth town Ashton Under Lyne
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 4943
Regiment Manchester Regiment
Unit / Battalion 5th Battalion
Year 1900
Residence town Dukinfield
Residence county Cheshire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

It appears that he deserted in Aug'1918 and was sent under escort to Southampton for embarkation to France in Sept' but disappeared again as no trace of him arriving in France.

From George's death cert

Died 25th September 1918, acute gastro-enteritis and convulsions

:-(

From military records,

Wife Charity Ellen Bowers, married Parish Church Ashton under Lyne 1st July 1905, address 15 Leech St Dukinfield

births Mary Elizabeth b Oct 22 1909
Bertha 22/2/1912
Leonard 14/12/1918
James Henry 10/2/1920

First World War records for James are on FMP , lots of info, incl death cert sadly for son George, confirmation of Charity Ellen as wife and Bertha's birth date. etc


British Army Service Records 1914-1920

First name(s) James
Last name Bowers
Birth year -
Birth town Ashton Under Lyne
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 16269
Regiment Royal Horse & Field Artillery
Residence town Dukinfield
Residence county Cheshire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

Deaths

BOWERS, JAMES WILLIAM 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 400

Joseph Henry's death registered same quarter as his birth. It's not showing on GRO but you can see it on Freebmd. Thomas's death also showing on Freebmd.

On the 1911 census Charity states 4 children born and three had died. Possibly these ones?

BOWERS, JAMES WILLIAM ELLIS Order
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 552
BOWERS, JOSEPH HENRY ELLIS Order
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 506
BOWERS, THOMAS ELLIS Order
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 459

The Victor named on the 1939 register

Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Bowers Victor Ellis Ashton 8d 1053

Charity M Ellis
mentioned in the record of Stone and Charity M Ellis
Name
Charity M Ellis
Event Type
Marriage
Registration Quarter
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year
1912
Registration District
Hambledon
County
Surrey
Event Place
Hambledon, Surrey, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911)
Stone
Volume
2A
Page
383
Line Number
2
 
Charity M Ellis probably married one of the following people
Name
Frederick W Stone

Possibly Bertha's parents?

Bowers on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Bowers Household (4 People)
149 King Street , Dukinfield M.B., Cheshire, England

Victor Bowers
DOB 03 Dec 1911 <<<< looks like 1923 or 24 on image
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Butcher Boy
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 210
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4

James Bowers
DOB 27 Feb 1884
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Casual Labourer General
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 210
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Ellen Bowers
DOB 17 Feb 1884
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 210
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Ref: RG101/4009B/017/21 Letter Code: LESB
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Shelley you can find Bertha's possible siblings by using freebmd.org.uk using the surnames Bowers/Ellis for instance

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Bowers Bertha Ellis Ashton 8d 949

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
BOWERS George Ellis Ashton 8d 1004

Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Bowers Leonard Ellis Ashton 8d _12

there are another 4 possible names after that...it is worth practising finding BMDs on that site as it is simple to use and free :-)

First name(s) CHARITY E
Last name BOWERS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1884
Age 68
Death quarter 2
Death year 1952
District Hyde
County Cheshire
Volume 10A
Page 299
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
© Findmypast

had a pm thanking for help and wanting to go back further now
so this is the baptism of berthas mum

Name: Charity Ellen Ellis
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 8 Apr 1884
Baptism Place: Oving, Sussex, England
Father: George Ellis
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 1041554

gro record showing mmn as Stone

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ELLIS, CHARITY ELLEN STONE
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WESTHAMPNETT Volume 02B Page 394


Marriages Sep 1874
Ellis George Ashton 8d 828
Stone Mary Jane Ashton 8d 828


ELLIS, TED STONE
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 333

Print
George Ellis

in the 1891 England Census
1891 England Census

Name: George Ellis
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1836
Spouse: Mary Ellis
Child: Harriet Ellis
Ted Ellis
Ellen Ellis
Joe Ellis
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Residence Place: Ashton under Lyne, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Ashton Town
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3276
Folio: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ellis 55 occ labourer doesnt know where born!
Mary Ellis 47 born Portland Dorset
Harriet Ellis 16 born Portland Dorset
Ted Ellis 11
Ellen Ellis 6 born Oven Sussex
Joe Ellis 5 born Oven Sussex }}}}}}}

}}}}}ELLIS, JOSEPH HENRY STONE
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 317

I still can't see them on the 1939 register- although I have found them on the electoral register. (I've checked the same address in 1939 register- but I presume, due to the war they may have moved):

1934: 118 Beresford Avenue- Ealing, Hanwell North
John Burke
Bertha Burke
Alice Maud Flower
Wilfred Owen Flower

1937- 1939: 254 Balmoral Drive, Uxbridge

John Burke (1937- 1939)
Bertha Burke (1937- 1939)
Cedric Neil Connelly (1939)
Nora Mabel Connelly (1939)
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From at least 1949- 1959 they are living at 3 Gurney Street, Southwark. I won't list all the years but just so you know it is the correct family here is entry 1956:

1956: 3 Gurney Street, Southwark
John Burke
Bertha Burke
John J Burke
Terence D Burke
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Shelly- you'll soon pick things up- there are more and more records becoming available on line and we are all constantly learning new ways to research our families- however, I warn you, it is quite an addictive hobby!

Yes, I believe after talking to a Bethas son (John Burke aged 84) that all above is correct, he is trying to remember as much as he can to help with the search. Now I must try to learn how to find more, as I said I really don't know what I am doing but learning more each day.