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I have a Henry Michael Rice, I don't know when he was born but know he died
15 Dec 1926 Strand Palace Hotel, Middlesex ( stated on Will )
he lived at 1 Dimond Street, Pembroke Dock. Pembrokeshire.

What i am trying to find out is when he was born .....
suggestions please,

many thanks
Cheryl xxx :-D

This could be his birth:-

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
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First name(s) HENRY MICHAEL
Last name RICE
Birth year 1862
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Newport (Monmouthshire)
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 153
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

and his death:-

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First name(s) HENRY M
Last name RICE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1862 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age 64
Death quarter 4
Death year 1926
District St. Martin
County London
Volume 1A
Page 594
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

From the free to use site - https://www.freebmd.org.uk

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1926 (>99%)
Rice Henry M 64 St.Martin 1a 594

If the recorded age at death was correct, the he would have been born 1861/1862

Which brings up this possible birth - (from the same site)

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
RICE Henry Michael Newport M 11a 153

Thank you both

His wife was born 1883, so he was quite a bit older then ???? :-0

It happened ! Not a second marriage ??

Quite a few of my ancestors had age differences of up to 20 years between husband and wife even for first marriages. My parents had 10 years between them and my grandparents 19 years, both first marriages.

Kath. x

:-0 :-| :-0 :-|

Possibly he was married twice as this seems to be him in the 1911 census:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Dimond Street Pembroke Dock, Pembroke St Mary, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Henry Michael Rice Head Married Male Bank Manager 49 1862 Newport Mon
Margaret Elizabeth Rice Wife Married Female - 45 1866 Liverpool Lancs
Noel Dennes C Rice Son - Male School 13 1898 Pembroke Dock Pembshire
Blanch Walters Servant Single Female General Servant Domestic 19 1892 Neyland Pembshire
Mary Ann John Servant Single Female General Servant Domestic 22 1889 Neyland Pembshire

Kath. x

Probate -
Henry Michael Rice of 1 Dimond Street, Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire died 15 December 1926 at the Strand Palace Hotel Middlesex. Probate London 8 February 1927 to Annie Beatrice Rice widow. Effects ------

??
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
Cooke Annie B Rice Tonbridge 2a 1921

Annie B COOKE was my relation, and i do think he was married before now reading back on some stuff.

Kath in 1911 it says he was a bank manager, and Annie's brother sent his medals to Henry and it was sent to Barclays Bank !!!

So same one I'm thinking .....

:-)

1911 census says Henry and Margaret Elizabeth married 28 years. As Margaret born Liverpool -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)

BURKE Ann Liverpool 8b 331
O'ROURKE Maurice Liverpool 8b 331
Quirk Margaret Liverpool 8b 331 <<<<<<<<<<<<
RICE Henry Michael Liverpool 8b 331

(Name shows as QUIRE on FMP )

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http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

RICE Henry M QUIRK Margaret Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/181/5

Noel's birth shows mmn Quirk

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RICE, NOEL DENNIS CLIFFORD QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in PEMBROKE Volume 11A Page 1189

Again from 1911 census - 7 children born to marriage - 3 still living, 4 have died

Thank you so very much :-)

The other 6 births - from https://www.gro.gov.uk Gives mmn from 1837 - 1916 unlike commercial sites where only from Q3 1911

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RICE, WILLIAM HENRY MICHAEL QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 335

RICE, CONSTANCE GLADYS QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 295RICE,

HENRY WILLIAM QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 303

RICE, PERCY WILFRID QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 310

RICE, ARTHUR VINCENT QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 278

RICE, GWENDOLEN MARY QUIRK Order
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 36

https://www.gro.gov.uk - free to use. Gives ages from 1837 to 1957

Name: Age at Death (in years):

RICE, WILLIAM HENRY MICHAEL 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 250

RICE, CONSTANCE GLADYS 4 Order
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 246

RICE, PERCY WILFRID 8 Order
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 269

RICE, GWENDOLEN MARY 18 Order
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PEMBROKE Volume 11A Page 689

Percy and Gwen's age would be in months not years - GRO unable to distinguish at present

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Diamond Street North Side, Pembroke St Mary, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry M Rice Head Married Male 38 1863 Bank Manager Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Margaret Rice Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Henry W Rice Son Single Male 13 1888 - Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales
Arthur V Rice Son Single Male 7 1894 - Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales
Joel D C Rice Son Single Male 3 1898 - Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Noel does look like Joel on original

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Aquarium Street, Rhuddlan, St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Michael Rice Head Married Male 28 1863 Bank Clerk Monmouthshire, Wales
Margaret Rice Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Lancashire, England
Henry William Rice Son - Male 2 1889 - Flintshire, Wales
Emily Ohagan Servant - Female 14 1877 General Servant Domestic Ireland

Age a little out from census

Name: Age at Death (in years):
RICE, MARGARET 51 Order
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in PEMBROKE Volume 11A Page 1263

Probate 1911 - Margaret Rice of Bank House Pembroke Dock (w/o Henry Michael Rice) died 14 November 1911. Administration Carmarthen 29 December to the said Henry Michael Rice Bank Manager. Effects -------

Do you have Annie in 1939?

Household (1 Person)
Riverhead House Worships Hill , Sevenoaks R.D., Kent, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Annie B Rice 17 Mar 1883 Female General Trainee Nurse & Midwife Widowed 319 12

Original says General Trained (not trainee) Nurse and Midwife

There are 17 people living at the same address on the same schedule number, so presume flats or rooms within the same building as it says Household (1 person)

http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(coming up on above for 1901, henry Michael rice)

Chris :)

One of those newspaper articles gives Henry Michael's Father as Henry William deceased who for many years had been Manager of Penarth and Cardiff Docks branches of London and Provincial Banks

Here's the family in 1871. Father Henry is a Bankers Clerk from Exeter

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Road, Gabalva, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry William Rice Head - Male 35 1836 - Devon, England
Martha Eliza Rice Wife - Female 29 1842 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Harry Michael Rice Son - Male 8 1863 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Arthur Victor Rice Son - Male 5 1866 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Ellen Cook Servant - Female 19 1852 - Gloucestershire, England