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I have a Mystery:

My Grandmother Ellen Rose Jago 1876 - 1920,
married Arthur Reginald Nicholson 1874 - 1911
and they had Doris, Eva, Ivy Percival and Helen (known as Ellen)

When she lost my Great granddad Arthur did she marry
John Henry Barrett and had,

Dorothy Maude Barrett died 9/3/1911 as is buried in Candie Cemetery

Candie records show,
Her mother is named as Ellen Rose Jago 1876 - 1920
John Henry Barrett

How do I find out if she married and had a second family.

Many thanks Wendy
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Connected ( to save people searching info already known)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367868

Another child?


Gladys Eva Nicholson
in the Channel Islands, Select Births and Baptisms, 1820-1907
Name:
Gladys Eva Nicholson
Gender:
Female
Birth Date:
8 Feb 1903
Birth Place:
Saint Pierre Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Father:
Arthur Reginald Nicholson
Mother:
Ellen Rose Jago
FHL Film Number:
473986
Reference ID:
117

You will need to inquire on Guernsey its self as the family may not have lived in St Peter Port prior to 1911.

Perhaps looking for a death of Arthur Reginald Nicholson may help to see if its a possiblity Helen(Ellen) did re-marry.

Hello Nyx

Thanks for the link to the earlier enquiries and information.

But this is a different lead regarding a new discovery of a possible second family for my Great Grandmother.

Many thanks Wendy :-) :-)

Hello MargaretM and Kay,

Eva Galdys was my grandmother and this other daughter may have been her Half sister.

Guernsey may have records and I have contacted them as well.

I thought nothing ventured nothing gained.

Many thanks Guys

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They married in London:


Helen Rose Jago
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name:
Helen Rose Jago
Gender:
Female
Marriage Age:
26
Birth Date:
abt 1874
Marriage Date:
23 Dec 1900
Marriage Place:
St John, Hackney, Hackney, England
Father:
William Cumber Jago
Spouse:
Arthur Reginald Nicholson

Wendy, yes I know it's a different query, but helpers often go over old ground to 'place' people. 'Working back to go forward' so to speak :-)

Hello Nyx,

Yes, see what you mean.

Thanks Wendy

:-) :-D

Grand Bouet Guernsey, St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands

1911 census.

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Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Ellen Rose Nicholson Wife Married Female - 35 1876 St Peters Port Guernsey Transcription
Gladys Eva Nicholson Daughter - Female School 8 1903 St Peters Port Guernsey Transcription
Doris Mercy Nicholson Daughter - Female School 9 1902 St Peters Port Guernsey Transcription
Percival Harold Nicholson Son - Male School 4 1907 St Peters Port Guernsey Transcription
Helen May Nicholson Daughter - Female - 3 1908 - Transcription


says Helen R (Ellen was born in Bristol.

I wonder if this could be Mr Barrett ??

If so, it seems he was already married


John Barrett
in the 1911 Channel Islands Census
Name: John Barrett
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Lukes, London
Civil Parish: St Peter Port
County/Island: Guernsey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address: St Julians Boarding House, Guernsey
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Guernsey
Registration District Number: 636
Sub-registration district: St Peter Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 2/1
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 34794
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Ryan 52
Eva Ryan 52
John Barrett 36
Ellen Drilot 18
Charles Falla 17

When you say "Candie records show" Dorothy's parents' names, is that from the death cert? or burial record?

How old was Dorothy when she died?

Arthur went to New York in 1907 (see other thread), and he's not with Ellen in 1911, though she's listed as married.

Dare I suggest your grandmother had a liaison with Mr Barrett while Arthur was away ??
Arthur was a seaman on ships belonging to the Great Western Railway, so was away frequently.

In 1911 it says she had had 5 children, one of whom had died.
I can only see birth records for the four who are on the 1911 census.
Do you know who the 5th one was?

In your OP and in your tree on Ancestry (though Ancestry won't let me open the tree at present) - you say Arthur died in 1911.

Is that definite, or a guess?

Saw below.

Chris :)

15 June 1875 - The Star - Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Guernsey

Extract From The Civil Register.
St. Peter Port.
Births.
May 28 - Ellen Rose, daughter of William C. Jago.


http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Donkipedia

(above can be useful sometimes)


1901 (Find My Past)
George W McKane Head Married Male 41 1860 Printer Compositor Cockermouth, Cumberland, England
Caroline M McKane Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Percy W McKane Son Single Male 13 1888 - Keswick, Cumberland, England
Evelyn M McKane Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Keswick, Cumberland, England
Horace L McKane Son - Male 9 1892 - Keswick, Cumberland, England
Arthur R Nicholson Step Son Married Male 26 1875 Ships Engineer Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Helen R Nicholson Daughter-In-Law Married Female 26 1875 - Guernsey, Channel Islands
Constance J Tregartha Servant Single Female 22 1879 Housemaid (Domestic) Harrington, Cumberland, England
Street Eskin Street
Parish Keswick
County Cumberland
Municipal ward Brigham
Registration district Cockermouth
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4878
Folio 70
Page 35


Birth
NICHOLSON, ARTHUR REGINALD (WICKS)
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in WHITEHAVEN Volume 10B Page 607


Edits

13 February 1886 - The Star - Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Guernsey

States Wharfinger
The post of Wharfinger held by the late Mr. William Cumber Jago has been given to his brother. Mr. Dobell Jago.


13 November 1886 - The Star - Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Guernsey

Birth
Oct 15. Wilhelmina Tallent, daughter of Wm. C. Jago.

Hello AngryllGran, Kay???? and Chris O,

The records of who was buried in Candie Cemetery were found by some else they were records about the burial plot bought in 1888 by Rosa Helen Alice Jago.

Dorothy Maude was a second child of Ellen Rose Jago's to be buried there.
She was 3 months, daughter of John Henry Barrett and Ellen Rose Jago.

Ivy Rose Nicholson was the first of Ellen Rose Children both died as infants.
she was 6 moths, daughter of Arthur Reginald Nicholson and Ellen Rose Jago.

Arthur was a seaman in an earlier record.Arthur later signed up for the war and gave an later date of birth to appear younger and did not return.

Ellen Rose Jago may have had a relationship with John Henry Barrett but on the records she was named as his wife.

Thank you for all your hard work on the Mystery.

Many thanks Wendy



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So Dorothy Maude was born @ January 1911? buried 9/3/1911 age 3months
Where is she on 1911 census?

Maryb.

When was Death of William Jago, added below earlier ?...

Chris :)

13 February 1886 - The Star - Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Guernsey

States Wharfinger
The post of Wharfinger held by the late Mr. William Cumber Jago has been given to his brother. Mr. Dobell Jago.


13 November 1886 - The Star - Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Guernsey

Birth
Oct 15. Wilhelmina Tallent, daughter of Wm. C. Jago.


(adds for Mary, 1911 Census taken 2nd April)


Edits

06 February 1886 - The Star - Saint Peter Port, Guernsey, Guernsey

Died
Feb. 4th - William Cumber Jago, of the late D. McD Jago, Staff Commander, R.N. Friends will kindly accept this intimation.
The funeral will leave the house Pollett Street, on Monday 8th inst. ? o'clock.

Cheers Chris,on 1911 says 5 born 1 died if Ivy Rose Nicholson born 20/7/1904 died age 6 months then she is the one on 1911 so why weren't there 2 died if Dorothy Maude buried 9/3/1911 age 3 months.



Maryb.

Hello Mary and Chris,

1911 Records only mention Ivy not Dorothy because of different fathers maybe and maybe different households.

If Dorothy father was living at a boarding house.

Record of burials was in the Town Church entries no. 59.

Found this in my family tree, problems getting into this area yesterday, sorry.

Many thanks Wendy

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