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So far I have confirmed that there were 2 children - Jane Hudson born 1838 (married James Birchenall) and Joseph Hudson (born 1851). I cannot find any record of Hannah from the 1841 census and so I wonder if Jane might have also been known as Hannah. Still no luck with the Mum's maiden name. Looks like I'll order some certificates and see how I go. I'll let this feed know how I get on.

So far I have confirmed that there were 2 children - Jane Hudson born 1838 (married James Birchenall) and Joseph Hudson (born 1851). I cannot find any record of Hannah from the 1841 census and so I wonder if Jane might have also been known as Hannah. Still no luck with the Mum's maiden name. Looks like I'll order some certificates and see how I go. I'll let this feed know how I get on.

That was my thinking Rootgatherer, as my gt gt had two wives named Annie, marrying between one census and the next, so the difference in age was the only thing giving the clue that they were not one and the same wife :-)

No problem Nyx. It is always best to be aware of ages given on census as it has been known for a second wife to have the same Christian name as the first.

My apologies, I was just dipping in and hadn't noticed that the age had been noticed and mentioned already. :-)

Joseph
Last name Hudson
Birth year 1851
Baptism year 1851
Baptism date 26 Nov 1851
Place Macclesfield, St Michael
County Cheshire
Country England
Mother's first name(s) -
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Hudson
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish baptisms 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

The 1861 census is the only way one that seems to give Hannah's birth year as 1836. I posted the census above and did say that on the image her age is entered as 25 years quite clearly. Jane is also on the census aged 25 years and the writing is quite clear. Perhaps the enumerator was dyslexic :-)


Perhaps it would be best to buy that Jane Hudson mmn Jackson birth certificate even if only for elimination purposes.

AAhhh but on the 1871 she was born 1810 / 11 ??

Dea x

Just noticed the wife Hannah Hudson on the 1861 was born 1836, so 28 years younger than Joseph so definitely not Jane's mother. ( sorry if I'm stating what was obvious to everyone else lol).

BUT - Hannah Sweetman appears to have married an Edward HODSON ??:

Edward Hodson

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Name: Edward Hodson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 Mar 1848
Marriage Place: Runcorn, Chester, England
Father: John Hodson
Spouse: Hannah Sweetman
FHL Film Number: 1836131
Reference ID: 2:3H4BCT0




Name: Hannah Sweetman
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1809
Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1809
Baptism Place: Weaverham, Cheshire, England
Baptism Age: 0
Father: William Sweetman
Mother: Nancy
FHL Film Number: 1736164




Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HODSON, EDWARD SWEETMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in OF THE RUNCORN UNION Volume 19 Page 234 Order



Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HODSON, THOMAS WOODYER SWEETMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in OF THE RUNCORN UNION Volume 19 Page 228




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Preston Brook, Preston in the Hill, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Hodson Head Married Male 54 1797 Toll Clerk On The Trent When Canal Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
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Hannah Hodson Wife Married Female 41 1810 Toll Clerk Wife Weaverham, Cheshire, England
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Edward Hodson Son - Male 2 1849 - Preston on the Hill, Cheshire, England
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Thomas W Hodson Son - Male 0 1851 - Preston on the Hill, Cheshire, England
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Ann Dean Servant Unmarried Female 23 1828 Servant Preston on the Hill, Cheshire, England




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leinster Street, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Hodson Head Widow Female 51 1810 Canal Companys Agents Widow Weaverham, Cheshire, England
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Edward Hodson Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Preston on the Hill, Cheshire, England



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leinster Street, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Hodson Head - Female 61 1810 - Cheshire, England
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Edward Hodson Son - Male 22 1849 - Cheshire, England


Dea x

Trees on Ancestry say that the Jane Hudson who married James Birchenall was the daughter of Joseph Hudson & Hannah Sweetman. This Joseph was a fruiterer & farmer.

The Joseph who married in 1834 was a Cordwainer (shoe maker):

Marriage: 22 Jun 1834 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Hudson - (X), Cordwainer, Bachelor, this Parish
Hannah Jackson - (X), Spinster, this Parish
Witness: Thomas Parry; James Ogden, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry Fielding M.A. Chaplain
Register: Marriages 1834, Page 475, Entry 1424
Source: LDS Film 2356729

Dea x

Jane
Last name Hudson
Birth year 1838
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 17 Jan 1838
Place Macclesfield, St Michael
County Cheshire
Country England
Mother's first name(s) -
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Hudson
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish baptisms 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

You may already have this but posting it just because it came up in my search.

JOSEPH
Last name HUDSON
Gender Male
Age 70
Birth year 1808
Death year -
Burial year 1878
Burial date 30 Jan 1878
Residence Macclesfield
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 4 p 275
Record group Part 1 - 1
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish burials 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain
Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

The age for Hannah in 1861 is quite clearly 25 years on the 1861 census image.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Waters Green, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Joseph Hudson Head Married Male 53 1808 Fruiterer Henbury, Cheshire, England
Hannah Hudson Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Joseph Hudson Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Jane Birchnall Daughter Married Female 25 1836 Dressmaker Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Eliza Birchnall Granddaughter - Female 3 1858 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Sarah Wright Visitor - Female 61 1800 Charwoman Adlington, Cheshire, England

Wondering if anyone has any other ideas. The children seem to have been born in Macclesfield so I'm not sure this is the right couple. Also, seems odd that daughter's Jane and Hannah were born in 1838 but the next child Joseph not born until 1852. I wonder if I'm accidently combining two families.

I've found a Joseph Hudson who married Hannah Jackson in 1834, but it's in Lancashire - no 100% convinced it is the right couple, but maybe.

Joseph Hudson
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jun 1834
Parish: Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Spouse: Hannah Jackson
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Sorry if this is a silly question (I'm a bit of a beginner). Do you think this means the wife's maiden name is Jackson? ie we are looking for Hannah Jackson?

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
Order
HUDSON, JOSEPH JACKSON Order
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 114 Order

Thanks, yes, I think that may be the daughter Jane who marries into the Birchenall family and appears on later censuses. It's funny the 1841 census does not have her, but does have a daughter Hannah.