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my grandmother born 1892 Mntgomery. gave birth to Thomas Edward 1910. He lived with her parents. About 1916 she had a girl Dorothy (father unknown).
She later married Thomas Pickavance in Oswestry, Shropshire. Then mved to Wigan where she later gave birth to my mother Doris Mary 1920
Her husband later left and mum was placed in a home in Fazackerley nr Liverpool.
I thought l had all this down as far as l knew. But, l have just had a message from someone in Canada who says her dad Norman Oakley is my mums brother.
Plus there is also a Harriet Oakley.
Norman was raised in a home until he was a teenager. He was then moved to Canada to work on a farm. Can anyone help me untangle this mess.
I asked mums cousin if her mum had mentioned anything. I was told no. Her mum Agnes Annie, sister to Emily May had also had a child, a son who was also raised by grandparents. He died aged 21. Any help untangling this mess would be very appreciated

Births Dec 1920   (>99%)

Pickavance
 Doris M
 Oakley
 Wigan
 8c
62

Births Dec 1921   (>99%)

Pickavance
 Harriett A
 Oakley
 Wigan
 8c
246

Births Dec 1916   (>99%)

Roland
 Dorothy M
 Oakley
 Bromsgrove
 6c
311

not finding a birth for a Thomas Edward mother Oakley

Marriages Jun 1918   (>99%)

Oakley
 Emily M
 Pickavance
 Oswestry
 6a
1410
  
Pickavance
 Thomas
 Oakley
 Oswestry
 6a
1410

WILLIAM N
Last name OAKLEY
Birth year 1916
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name Oakley
District Oswestry
County Shropshire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 1113
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England.

Getting the birth certificate for the above person will conform the mother.

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Canada Home Child.Database.

William Norman OAKLEY (140445)
Given Name(s): William Norman
Surname: OAKLEY
Gender: M
Date of Birth: 1916-03-10
Year of Arrival: 1931
Date of Arrival: 1931-05-02
Sent by: Church of England Waifs & Strays
Destination: Gibb Home, Sherbrooke, Quebec
Notes: The list contains no other details about this boy
Record Title: Alphabetical Lists of Boy Emigrants to Canada, 1920 to 1935 inclusive
Page Number: 27
Reference: Uncatalogued typed list held at the Genealogy Services Reference desk
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Database Item Number: 140445

Could this be relevant.they appear to be of the same person.
perhaps your contact could confirm DOB.

William may have been dropped in favour of Norman.


Williams departure from UK.along with many other males of the same age.


William
Last name Oakley
Gender Male
Age 15
Birth year 1916
Occupation FARMING
Departure year 1931
Departure day 23
Departure month 4
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Laurentic
Ship official number 149642
Ship master's first name R
Ship master's last name HUME
Shipping line WHITE STAR
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 8979
Ship registered tonnage 18724
Number of passengers 290
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, North America

It was under the arrangement of-

C/O--Waifs &Srays Soc.
Old Town Hall.
Kensington.
London SE.

Full detail records are probally held at The London Metropolitan Archives.

Index registration of Dorothy.??


First name(s) DOROTHY
Last name OAKLEY
Birth year 1917
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name Oakley
District Oswestry
County Shropshire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 803
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006.

she doesnt appear to have been a home child to Canada.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1368572

"Looking for relatives of Emily May Oakley born 1892 in Montgomeryshire, Shropshire, England. My father, William Norman Oakley, born in 1916 in Oswestry, Shropshire was her son. There is no father's name on his birth certificate."

I take it this is the person that contacted you? It sounds as if they have the birth certificate.

Some information which may/may not help: my relative was connected with the Waifs and Strays Society - also went to Canada to work on a farm. To get further information on my uncle I wrote to The Children's Society, Edward Rudolph House, Margery Street, London, WC1X 0JL.
They were very helpful - you may like to contact them as they held the information on my uncle - from his inclusion with the Waifs and Strays Society and it gave me the background to his early life.
There were forms to complete and you may be required (as I was) to give information regarding the connection to such a person or persons, but I found it well worth the effort.
I am not in England, but if you are, a quick call would give an answer to any query you may have as to whether they hold any information on your family member or not.
Good luck.
Peahen
p.s. I am sorry I do not have a phone number for the Society, but it may be in a telephone book.

This appears to be the telephone number:

Our head office

If you would like to contact any of the teams at our head office in London please call 020 7841 4400.

Our address is:
The Children's Society
Edward Rudolf House
Margery Street
London WC1X 0JL

Dea x

Message sent to return to thread,


Good Luck Dorothy with newly found relatives.

Oh my goodness what stars you are
Do l read right that Harriet was mums full sister..Any idea what happened to her?.
Can l find out if she lived, and if so did she go in the childrens home at Fazackerley.
I havent been able to contact annyone to get details of why mum went in there.
I know she went in at two years old.

Thomas Edward ( Uncle Ted) is in the 1911 census living with Grans parents
Hes down as a 3 mo th old grandson.

Thank you so much, i would never have found this by myself

have a look at the other thread Dorothy,

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Sadly Harriett died aged 2

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HARRIET A
Last name PICKAVANCE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1922
Age 2
Death quarter 2
Death year 1924
District Wigan
County Lancashire
Volume 8C
Page 104
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Sorry l didnt realise about the other threads now deleted.
Thank you clearing up about Harriet x

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1368572

This is the thread I was referring to hope it clarifies things a bit :-)

Thanks genes. caught.up with my new cousins now and exchanged information.

just on thing now that l would love to know

what happened to grans husband Thomas Pickavance.
did he remarry or have other children
I believe he died in wigan in 1949

Thanks genes. caught.up with my new cousins now and exchanged information.

just on thing now that l would love to know

what happened to grans husband Thomas Pickavance.
did he remarry or have other children
I believe he died in wigan in 1949

Thomas Pickavance 1876 Ryton U. D. Durham
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Thomas Pickavance 1885 Liverpool C.B. Lancashire
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Thomas Pickavance 1885 Ormskirk U.D. Lancashire
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Thomas Pickavance 1893 St Helens C.B. Lancashire
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Thomas Pickavance 1899 Chorley M.B. Lancashire
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These are from the 1939 register who could fit in an age bracket.knowing his age in 1918 would help..
Also if Emily May remarried it may help give a timeline to any re-marriage for Thomas.

The record l have for Grans husband is from the 1911 census.
Thomas Pickavance, 28 Ormandys houses, Wigan
Reg district 458 Sub district 3 Archive Ref RG14.
He was stationed in Oswestry where he married Gran in 1918
They moved to Wigan and had my mum, Doris Mary in 1920
And later Harriet in 1922 who died 2 years later.
He left gran and l have no idea if he remarried or had further children.
Considering he is actually my grandfather l know nothing at all about him
Would appreciate any information. Thanks

For reference

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28 Ormandys Houses Wigan, Wigan, Lancashire, England

John Pickavance Head Married Male Underground Labourer Coalmine 34 1877 Lancs Wigan
Clara Pickavance Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Lancs Wigan
George Pickavance Son - Male Underground Labourer Coal Mine 13 1898 Lancs Wigan
Thomas Pickavance Son - Male Scholar 12 1899 Lancs Wigan
John Pickavance Son - Male Scholar 9 1902 Lancs Wigan
Selina Pickavance Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Lancs Wigan
Mary And Clara Pickavance Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Lancs Wigan
James Pickavance Son - Male - 4 1907 Lancs Wigan
James Leck Boarder Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 22 1889 Lancs Wigan

It does look as though they also used the spelling Pickervance
so may need to look at that also

Baptism: 30 Aug 1899 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Pickervance - [Child] of John Pickervance & Clara
Born: 27 Mar 1899
Abode: 8 Ormandy's Houses
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: E. L. Bull Curate
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives