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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 132 Send Message	Richard	Report	13 Dec 2017 18:42
	Can someone please help. I'm having problem tracing the family of Charles Smith and his wife Louisa (Derby 1851) Charles Smith married Louisa Miller in Derby in 1870 (freebmd) In 1871 they were lodging at the home of Mary Adams Charles Smith 22 Labourer b Derby Louisa Smith 20 b Derby They had the following children Maria Smith (1871 Derby), Charles William Smith (1885 Derby) and Sarah Jane Smith (1889 Derby), Louisa died in 1893 in Derby after the birth of their last child Louisa Smith (Derby1893) I just can't see them in the censuses of 1881 and 1891. I'm working from familysearch and wondered if any other sites have more records. Does anyone have details of their marriage? Thanks a lot Richard
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	13 Dec 2017 19:25
	I see what you mean about the 1881 and 1891 census Richard. I am not having any luck on Ancestry or FMP at the moment For info........the 1901 Census 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2, Monk Street, Derby, Derbyshire, England Charles Smith Head Married Male 51 1850 Bird Dealer Derbyshire, England Transcription Ada Smith Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Charles W Smith Son Single Male 15 1886 Labourer (General) Derbyshire, England Transcription Sarah J Smith Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Derbyshire, England Transcription Louisa Smith Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Derbyshire, England Is this the second marriage for Charles..... ?? Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%) Smith Charles Derby 7b 926 Wright Ada Derby 7b 926 For info.....the 1871 Census 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Goodwin Street, St Alkmund, Derby, Derbyshire, England Mary A Adams Head - Female 64 1807 - Derbyshire, England Charles Smith Lodger - Male (Labourer) 22 1849 - Derbyshire, England Louisa Smith Lodger - Female 20 1851 - Derbyshire, England Thomas Holdsworth Lodger - Male 47 1824 - Nottinghamshire, England Sarah Holdsworth Lodger - Female 47 1824 - Derbyshire, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,055 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	13 Dec 2017 19:43
	You ask about details of Charles and Louisa's marriage, Richard. You'll have to buy a copy of the marriage cert, which will give you their fathers' names.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,055 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	13 Dec 2017 19:54
	Apart frpm the wife's name, and Charles's occupation, this would seem to be them in 1891. I'll post it in case, or for elimination; Charles Smith in the 1891 England Census Name: Charles Smith Gender: Male Age: 41 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1850 Spouse: Eliza Smith Child: Charles Smith Jane Smith Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: St Alkmund Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne Residence Place: Derby, St Alkmund, Derbyshire, England Registration district: Derby Sub registration district: Derby ED, Institution or Vessel: 75 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2737 Folio: 126 Household Members: Name Age Charles Smith 41 - boiler driller Eliza Smith 40 Charles Smith 5 Jane Smith 3 [is this Sarah Jane?} Annie Green 17 - niece
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 132 Send Message	Richard	Report	13 Dec 2017 20:03
	Thanks for all the info. It looks like Charles remarried. The children look right in the 1901 census. Seems a long time between the birth of Maria in 1871 and Charles William Smith in 1885. Thanks again.
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	13 Dec 2017 20:49
	As Louisa's maiden name was "Miller" How about this 1881 census with daughter Maria ?? 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 82, Princes Street, Litchurch, Derby, Derbyshire, England Joseph Miller Head Widower Male 62 1819 Iron Foundry Laborer Axley Warwickshire, England Joseph Miller Son Single Male 22 1859 Bricklayers Laborer Derbyshire, England Louisa Smith Daughter Married Female 28 1853 - Derbyshire, England Maria Smith Daughter Single Female 8 1873 - Derbyshire, England William Mc Cormick Boarder Married Male 42 1839 Rly Laborer Wiltshire, England Maria Smith in the Derbyshire, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910 Name: Maria Smith Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1873 Baptism Place: St Alkmund's Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England Father: Charles Smith Mother: Louisa Smith SMITH, MARIA MMN MILLER GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 380
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 12,081 Send Message	Andrew	Report	13 Dec 2017 21:05
	Following on from PricklyHolly... if Louisa is with her parents, could this be Charles with his?? 1881 England Census Charles here is married Name: Charles Smith Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Gender: Male Where born: Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Derby All Sts County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: 5 Court 6 Willow Row Marital Status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: General Labourer Registration district: Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 78 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3407 Folio: 65 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Jane Smith 60 >>>>Charles Smith 30 Frederick Smith 18 William Smith 16 and possibly 1861 Charles Smith in the 1861 England Census Name: Charles Smith Age: 11 Estimated birth year: 1850 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Smith Mother's name: Jane Smith Gender: Male Where born: Derby Civil Parish: St Alkmund County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Derby Sub-registration district: St Alkmund ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 59 Piece: 2496 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Smith 43 Jane Smith 38 Thomas Smith 18 Hannah Smith 15 Charles Smith 11 Jane Smith 9 John Smith 7 Andy
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	13 Dec 2017 21:15
	I am on the same road as you Andrew. I have so many windows open.......but i don't have time to post all the info at the moment. Will pop back on here tomorrow. Prickles. ;o)) Edit...... ??? SMITH, CHARLES MMN OWEN GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in DERBY UNION Volume 19 Page 619 ??? Marriages Sep 1839 (>99%) OWEN Jane Derby 19 424 SMITH Thomas Derby 19 424
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	13 Dec 2017 21:22
	England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription First name(s) Ada Last name Wright Name note - Age 39 Marriage year 1896 Marriage date 18 Apr 1896 Marriage place Derby Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Wright Spouse's first name(s) Charles Spouse's last name Smith Spouse's birth year 1850 Spouse's birth date 1850 Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's father's last name Smith Residence Derbyshire, England County Derbyshire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl
	Researching: Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 132 Send Message	Richard	Report	14 Dec 2017 00:41
	You are really getting somewhere. It's falling into place and I was clueless. Thank you all so much. Richard
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	14 Dec 2017 09:06
	If that is your Louisa with father Joseph on the 1881 census....... I can't find the 1871 census for father Joseph at the moment......but here is the 1861 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Chambers Court, Canal Street, St Peters, Derby, Derbyshire, England Joseph Miller Head Married Male 43 1818 Labourer... Warwickshire, England Sarah Miller Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Aston, Leicestershire, England Louisa Miller Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar Derby, Derbyshire, England Joseph Miller Son - Male 2 1859 - Derby, Derbyshire, England 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 50, Canal Street, St Peters, Derby, Derbyshire, England Joseph Miller Head Married Male 32 1819 Railway Labr Arley, Warwickshire, England Sarah Miller Wife Married Female 33 1818 - Leicestershire, England Maria Miller Daughter - Female 2 1849 Scholar Derbyshire, England MILLER, LOUISA MMN LEE GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in DERBY UNION Volume 07B Page 354 MILLER, MARIA MMN LEE GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in DERBY UNION Volume 19 Page 579 MILLER, JOSEPH LEE Order GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 408 Parents marriage..... Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%) LEE Sarah Leicester 15 99 MILLER Joseph Leicester 15 99 ??? Joseph Miller in the Warwickshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1910 Name: Joseph Miller Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1818 Baptism Place: Arley, Warwickshire, England Parish: Arley Father: Samuel Miller (Labourer) Mother: Maria Miller
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	14 Dec 2017 09:25
	Brother Joseph's marriage.... Joseph Miller in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Joseph Miller (Bachelor) I can't read his occupation (46 Percy Street) Gender: Male Marriage Age: 23 Birth Date: 1860 Marriage Date: 12 May 1883 Marriage Place: Derby, St James, Derbyshire, England Father: Joseph Miller (Smith) Spouse: Mary Ann Whittaker Father: Eli Whittaker (Stoker) Witnesses: George Whittaker and ** LOUISA SMITH** 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Harrington Street, Litchurch, Derby, Derbyshire, England Joseph Miller Head Married Male 34 1857 Railway Labourer Derbyshire, England Mary A Miller Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Derbyshire, England Maria Miller Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Derbyshire, England Elias W Miller Son - Male 2 1889 - Derbyshire, England Mary A Miller Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Derbyshire, England Elias Whittaker Lodger Single Male 19 1872 Railway Labourer Derbyshire, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	14 Dec 2017 09:46
	Sister Maria on the 1861 and 1871 census.... 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Richard Street, Richards Street, Leicester, Leicestershire, England George Brigstock Head - Male 42 1829 - Leicestershire, England Transcription Mary Ann Brigstock Wife - Female 42 1829 - Leicestershire, England Elizabeth Ann Brigstock Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Leicestershire, England Maria Miller Niece - Female 22 1849 - Derbyshire, England Hannah Lee Wife's Mother - Female 80 1791 - Leicestershire, England 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 30, Richard Street, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England George Brigstock Head Married Male 32 1829 Drayman Billesdon, Leicestershire, England Mary Ann Brigstock Wife Married Female 33 1828 Worsted Spinner Leicester, Leicestershire, England Maria Miller Visitor - Female 12 1849 Scholar Derby, Derbyshire, England Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%) Brigstock George Leicester 15 114 Lee Mary Ann Leicester 15 114 If all the above information is correct....(Charles and Louisa's marriage cert would confirm) Mary Ann Lee is the sister of Sarah Lee who married Joseph Miller. Hannah Lee being their Mother.
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	14 Dec 2017 11:17
	Sarah Jane Smith in the Derbyshire, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910 Name: Sarah Jane Smith Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1889 Baptism Place: All Saints Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England Father: Charles Smith Mother: Louisa Smith SMITH, SARAH JANE MMN MILLER GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in SHARDLOW Volume 07B Page 451 Sarah Jane Smith in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Sarah Jane Smith (Spinster) Longford Gender: Female Marriage Age: 19 Birth Date: abt 1889 Marriage Date: 22 Apr 1908 Marriage Place: Longford, Derbyshire, England Father: Charles Smith (General Dealer) Spouse: George John Brassington (Farmers Labourer) Bachelor Witnesses: Charles Smith and **LOUISA SMITH* 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Longford Lane Brailsford Derby, Longford, Derbyshire, England Charles Smith Head Married Male Rag Gatherer 61 1850 Derbys Ada Smith Wife Married Female House Keeping 54 1857 Derbys Ada Miller Smith Adopted Daughter Single Female - 8 1903 Derby Milford Sarah Brassington Daughter Married Female - 22 1889 Derby George Brassington Son - Male - 2 1909 Derby Longford Marsh Lottie Brassington Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Derby Longford Marsh
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	14 Dec 2017 11:37
	Possibly Charles and Louisa's daughter Louisa, on the 1911 census. ?? 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Common Farm Radbourne Derby, Radbourne, Staffordshire, England Joseph William Clowes Head Married Male Farmer 31 1880 Winkhilll Staffordshire Elizabeth Clowes Wife Married Female - 39 1872 Leek Staffordshire William Hidderley Clowes Son - Male - 5 1906 Ambaston Derby Maud Elizabeth Clowes Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Radbourne Derby Elizabeth Hidderley Mother In Law Widow Female - 71 1840 Leek Staffordshire **Louisa Smith** Servant Single Female General Servant Domestic 18 1893 Derby John Cheadle Servant Single Male Waggoner On Farm 24 1887 Burton Staffordshire Arthur Filnt Servant Single Male Cowman On Farm 22 1889 Uttoxeter Staffordshire Arthur Foster Servant - Male General Farm Lad 14 1897 Mickleover Derby
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 132 Send Message	Richard	Report	14 Dec 2017 13:52
	Thankyou for taking so much trouble. Cheers Richard
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 132 Send Message	Richard	Report	14 Dec 2017 13:52
	Thankyou for taking so much trouble. Cheers Richard
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	14 Dec 2017 19:20
	My pleasure Richard. Fingers crossed i am on the right track! Prickles :-)
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

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