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AnninGlos
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8 Jan 2018 12:53 |
Hi not often I come on this board but have just seen something on a Facebook group that I belong to that has awakened an interest in an ancestor that I have been stuck with. I have a copy of the 1851 on CD but have obviously not accessed it on this PC as it fails to open and says I am ‘not compatible’. Would somebody please do me a favour and look up the following for me THOMAS MARTIN BORN C 1820 should be living in Hampshire in 1851 either in Portsmouth or Gosport (but I don’t think he was Hampshire born. His occupation was cooper and his wife was Charlotte I have no birth details for him or any other census details.
Many thanks if you can help. :-)
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8 Jan 2018 13:14 |
Thomas Martin in the 1851 England Census Name: Thomas Martin Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Martin Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Alverstoke Ecclesiastical parish: St John Hampshire
Household Members: Thomas Martin 31 , cooper Charlotte Martin 28 Henry Martin 8 Mary Ann Martin 6 Thomas Martin 4 Charlotte Martin 2 Emily Martin 8 Mo
Wife and children born Portsmouth except last 2 children born Forton, Hampshire.
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8 Jan 2018 13:20 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Byerly's Buildings, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Martin Head Married Male 31 1820 Cooper Brighton, Sussex, England Transcription Charlotte Martin Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Henry Martin Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Martin Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Thomas Martin Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Charlotte Martin Daughter - Female 2 1849 Scholar Forton, Hampshire, England Transcription Emily Martin Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Forton, Hampshire, England
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8 Jan 2018 13:20 |
is this his marriage Thomas Last name Martin Age Full Denomination Anglican Marital status Bachelor Occupation Cooper Residence White Horse Alley Marriage year 1842 Marriage date 13 Jun 1842 Marriage place Portsea, St Mary Dedication St Mary Licence or banns Banns Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte Spouse's last name Fennell Spouse's age Minor Spouse's marital status Spinster Spouse's residence White Horse Alley Father's first name(s) Charles Father's last name Martin Father's occupation Labourer Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry Sherman Spouse's father's last name Fennell Spouse's father's occupation Labourer Witness 1 Jane Charlotte Fennell Witness 2 Henry Sherman Fennell County Hampshire Country England Register type Marriages Register year range 1842-1843
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Maddie
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8 Jan 2018 13:26 |
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4, Newcastle Lane, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Martin Head Married Male 46 1815 Cooper Royal...Yard Sussex, England Transcription Charlotte Jane Martin Wife Married Female 38 1823 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Henry Charles Martin Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Cooper Apprentice R C Yard Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Martin Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Thomas Wm Stephen Martin Son Unmarried Male 14 1847 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Charlotte Ann Martin Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Emily Martin Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Edward George Martin Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription Alice Martin Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
1891 St Johns Road, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas W Martin Head Married Male 71 1820 Pensioner Dock Yard Sussex, England Transcription Charlotte J Martin Wife Married Female 68 1823 - Hampshire, England Transcription Henry C Martin Son Single Male 48 1843 Cooper Hampshire, England Transcription Emma Martin Daughter Single Female 26 1865 - Hampshire, England Transcription Emily Stark Niece Single Female 19 1872 - Hampshire, England Transcription Census details
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Maddie
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8 Jan 2018 13:32 |
CHARLOTTE JANE Last name MARTIN Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1824 Age 78 Death quarter 1 Death year 1902 District Portsmouth County Hampshire Volume 2B Page 361
THOMAS Last name MARTIN Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1822 Age 84 Death quarter 4 Death year 1906 District Portsmouth County Hampshire Volume 2B Page 326
???? Thomas William Last name Martin Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1820 Baptism date 09 Jan 1820 Residence Brighton, Sussex, England Place Brighton County Sussex Country England Father's first name(s) Charles Father's last name Martin Mother's first name(s) Lydia Mother's last name -
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8 Jan 2018 13:37 |
CHARLOTTE Last name FENNELL Birth year 1823 Baptism year 1823 Baptism day 28 Baptism month Sep Son or daughter Daughter First parent's first name(s) Henry Second parent first name(s) Ann Parish PORTSMOUTH ST THOMAS County Hampshire Country England Record set Hampshire baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
Henry Sherman Last name Fennell Age 53 Birth year 1792 Denomination Anglican Residence Oyster ST Death year 1845 Burial year 1845 Burial date 11 Jun 1845 Burial place Portsmouth, St Thomas Dedication St Thomas of Canterbury County Hampshire Country England Register type Burials Register year range 1843-1852
charlottes brother Henry Sherman Last name Fennell Birth year - Baptism year 1815 Baptism date 07 Sep 1815 Baptism place Portsea, St Mary Dedication St Mary Denomination Anglican Residence Lake Lane Father's first name(s) Henry Sherman Mother's first name(s) Ann County Hampshire Country England Register type Baptisms Register year range 1815-1815 Archive reference CHU 3/1B/2 Page 107
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8 Jan 2018 13:40 |
Thomas William Martin England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Thomas William Martin Residence Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Gender: Male Christening Date: 09 Jan 1820 Christening Date (Original): 9 Jan 1820 Christening Place: St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England Father's Name: Charles Martin Mother's Name: Lydia Martin
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8 Jan 2018 13:52 |
1851 Census 3 Records found Piece: HO107/1646 Place: Brighton -Sussex Enumeration District: 1g Civil Parish: Brighton Ecclesiastical Parish: Brighthelmston Folio: 184 Page: 24 Schedule: 113 Address: 4 Little Russell St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks MARTIN Charles Head M M 55 Fish Hawker Sussex - Brighton MARTIN Lydia Wife M F 54 Fish Hawker Sussex - Brighton MARTIN William Son - M 14 Fish Hawker Sussex - Brighton
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Maddie
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8 Jan 2018 13:59 |
Charles Last name Martin Name note - Marriage year 1819 Marriage date 1819 Marriage place Brighton Spouse's first name(s) Lydia Spouse's last name Washington Residence Brighton, Sussex, England County Sussex Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages
Lydia Last name Washington Gender Female Birth year 1795 Birth place - Baptism year 1795 Baptism date 25 May 1795 Place Brighton County Sussex Country England Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Washington Mother's first name(s) Lydia Mother's last name -
Charles Last name Martin Gender Male Birth year 1795 Birth place - Baptism year 1796 Baptism date 31 Jan 1796 Residence Brighton, Sussex, England Place Brighton County Sussex Country England Father's first name(s) Charles Father's last name Martin Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Charles Last name Martin Name note - Marriage year 1791 Marriage date 24 Oct 1791 Marriage place Brighton Spouse's first name(s) Mary Spouse's last name Slaughter County Sussex Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
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AnninGlos
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8 Jan 2018 14:40 |
Wow, thank you so much, you people on this board never fail us, that gives me a lot to go on and, yes, that is his marriage, I do have the cert for that.
Thanks again will get sorting that lot out now. :-) :-)
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AnninGlos
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9 Jan 2018 15:36 |
Sorry about this, would it be better on a separate thread?
I have a query on something that was kindly found which I can't solve. A death date was found for THOMAS MARTIN of 1906 aged 84 . the age more or less tallies, therefore I should be able to find him on the 1901 but I can't. I can find his wife Charlotte (I am 99% sure it is her), at age 78 living as a boarder, name of family she is living with is not familiar to me but she is in the right residential area and the right age ( DOB 1824 aged 78 on census)
I can't now find a death for THOMAS (WILLIAM) MARTIN. Can anyone advise please. I have been looking on Family search.
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greyghost
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9 Jan 2018 22:09 |
Above question also posed on new thread https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1369952?jump=1369952
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AnninGlos
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9 Jan 2018 22:18 |
Thanks reposted as it disappeared down the board and I had marked it answered before
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9 Jan 2018 22:55 |
Have posted this on the other thread too.
This may be the Thomas who died in 1906
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 12, Fratton Grove, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Charles Martin Head Married Male 33 1868 General Laborer Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Charlotte Martin Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Charles T Martin Son - Male 4 1897 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Martha A Martin Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Thomas Martin Father Widower Male 78 1823 Retired Blockmaker Cosham, Hampshire, England
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Jan 2018 07:33 |
Below one, for above Address...
Chris :)
Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas Last name Martin Age 84 Birth year 1822 Denomination Anglican Residence Fratton Grove Death year 1906 Burial year 1906 Burial date 19 Nov 1906 Burial place Portsea, St Mary Dedication St Mary
24 November 1906 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire,
Death MARTIN - On the 15th inst., at 12. Fratton grove. Thomas Martin, aged 84.
20 January 1902 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire
Death MARTIN - On the 9th inst., at 43, Northam Street, Fratton, Charlotte Jane, widow of the Iate Thomas Martin, late cooper H.M. Victualling Yard, Gosport, aged 78 years.
1901 (Find My Past) John Edwards Head Married Male 39 1862 Chief Stoker R N Hambledon, Hampshire, England Louisa E Edwards Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Lilian Edwards Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Tailoress Portsmouth, Hampshire, England William J P Edwards Son - Male 14 1887 Plumber & Gasfitter Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Gertrude B Edwards Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Florence Edwards Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Charlotte Martin Boarder Widow Female 78 1823 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England 43, Northam Street, Portsmouth, Hampshire,
(if below couple)
Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------- EDWARDS John Havant 2b 772 Pearce Louisa Ellen Havant 2b 772
Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------- Martin Thomas William 72 Portsea 2b 528
(same address as 1891 posted earlier, although mistake in middle name perhaps?)
Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas Stephen Last name Martin Age 72 Birth year 1820 Denomination Anglican Residence S Johns Road Death year 1892 Burial year 1892 Burial date 20 Feb 1892 Burial place Portsea, St Mary Dedication St Mary
(although below)
24 February 1892 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire
Death Martin - On the 15th instant, at St. Johns-road, Landport. Mr. Thomas Stephen Martin, aged 72 years.
Charlotte 1824 1902 Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Portsea, St Mary, Hampshire, England
(Northam Street on image for above. Buried Jan. 14)
(Baptism images for children on FMP (occ. Cooper) couple below)
Birth MARTIN, THOMAS WILLIAM STEPHEN (FENNELL) GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 177
Birth MARTIN, BLANCHE (FENNELL) GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 445
13 March 1891 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire,
Death Martin - On the 5th instant, at St. Johns-road, Landport, Miss Blanche Martin, aged 29 years.
(her Burial FMP, 9th March)
Martin Blanche 1862 1891 Hampshire, Portsmouth Burials Portsea, St Mary, Hampshire, England
18 June 1842 - Hampshire Advertiser - Southampton, Hampshire, England
Marriage Married, at Kingston, on the 13th inst. Mr. T. Martin to Miss C. Fennell, of Portsea
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AnninGlos
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10 Jan 2018 09:13 |
Chris wow thank you, that is the one, the cooper wife Charlotte. Thanks everyone for your help. That tells me he died before Charlotte but still no death for him I think. In a rush, will check this later.
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Jan 2018 09:21 |
(looking like that 1892 posted, perhaps better to get Death Cert?)
Chris :)
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AnninGlos
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10 Jan 2018 15:03 |
Sorry Chris, had an appointment in town.
I am certain that it is the 1892 one. I am thinking that they got confused and put Stephen as the middle name because the son was Thomas William Stephen, but they were definitely living in St John's road in the 1891 and he was then aged 71.
Thank you so much for all your work on this. I stopped belonging to FMP etc about 5/6 years ago when I gave up looking having been doing my tree since I was in my 30s. All of a sudden on a Portsmouth nostalgia group on FB the name Thomas Martin came up as a request, It wasn't mine but sparked off my interest again. There is so much more available now than when i was last looking. I did manage to get into Family search (even the procedure for that has all changed) and found the censuses ok. then my PC started playing up and I was trying to access things on my Ipad, not so easy. It certainly hurts my 77 year old brain. And I had forgotten Free BMD as well. Will remember that now when looking further.
Anyway your work on this is so much appreciated thanks again.
And thanks to everyone else as well. :-) :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Jan 2018 15:59 |
Yes, new records coming online more these days, gets a job to keep up, lol.
Does look like his Death, and Blanche there also 1891 (just before Census 5th April)
Fingers crossed...
Chris :)
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