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Hi Chris thanks I guess that's it for now and thanks to Argyl/Gran

(no idea on that, would get that Birth Cert.)

Chris :)

Hi, that marriage of 1874 is looking like it might be the right one? but if Laura is Jane Why the name change? this is looking like a real muddle? thanks

(not seeing a Baptism either, Laura)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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Davies Griffith Machynlleth 11b 330
Edwards Catherine Machynlleth 11b 330

(would be interesting to see if his Father was William on above, not seeing image to check FMP)


1891 (on FMP)
William Davies Head Married Male 73 1818 Hawker Merionethshire, Wales
Catherine Davies Wife Married Female 75 1816 - Merionethshire, Wales
William Davies Son Single Male 48 1843 Tinman Merionethshire, Wales
Griffith Davies Son Married Male 38 1853 Labourer Merionethshire, Wales
Catherine Davies Granddaughter - Female 15 1876 Scholar Montgomeryshire, Wales
Ellen Davies Granddaughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Laura Davies Granddaughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Eliza Davies Granddaughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Hugh Davies Grandson - Male 6 1885 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Maggie Davies Granddaughter - Female 4 1887 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Bath House, Marine Terrace, Llanaber, Dolgelly, Merionethshire


1861 (Find My Past)
William Davies Head Married Male 45 1816 Dealer In Earthen Ware Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
Catherine Davies Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
David Davies Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Plumber & Painter Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
William Davies Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Plumber & Painter Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
Ellin Davies Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 - Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales
Griffith Davies Son - Male 8 1853 - Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales
Shop, Uchaf, Llanenddwyn, Dolgelly, Merionethshire,


Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

Davies William 1844 — 1844 Merionethshire Baptisms Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales

(Parents, William/Catherine. occ. Dealer in Earthen Ware)

Yes, I wondered if Laura could be Jane - I don't see the birth of a Laura, and her age in 1891 is the same as Jane's would be.

Hi Argyl/gran & Chris
(A/G) 1891 census rang a bell with me,as we where in Salt lake city for a day and visited the LDS head quarters there,and did a few hours research while there,and the gentleman who was helping us came up with that census,The Places and dates fairly matched and he said that the Laura listed could be Jane and marked it on the record he gave me,and all the children on where grandchildren,he also said that Griffith Occ: as labouror was a general statement for lots of jobs, I forgot about it as it was put away as my wife died soon after,and have not been on here for nearly two years, also if his wife had died it would make sense him living with his parents while at Sea??

(thankyou AG, ties in, can see a Baptism for Margaret, Llanaber 1886 (Griffith/Catherine) Also noted a Witness Margaret Davies 1912 Marriage for Sister
Ellen)


Birth
DAVIES, MARGARET (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 395

Chris :)

(just to add, not knowledgeable, things Wales, admits to googling for spelling a lot, lol)

Would be interesting to see actual 1879 Cert., for Birthdate...

If 1882 then that's not her on 1901 with Brother Hugh (think his Baptism nails that one!)...

But not forgetting her Father named as Griffith on 1909 Marriage Cert?...


Back to square one then...

Chris :)

In response to Chris's plea for 1891 census for Griffith Davies & family - Jane's not with them:

Griffith Davies
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Griffith Davies
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Davies
Mother's name: Caroline Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Dyffryn, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanaber
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanaber with Barmouth
Town: Barmouth
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4643
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Davies 73
Caroline Davies 75
William Davies 48
Griffith Davies 38
Cathrine Davies 15
Ellen Davies 13
Laura Davies 11
Eliza Davies 9
Hugh Davies 6
Maggie Davies 4

Yes the birth date is all over the place from 1879 to 1883, but on two of her records it actually states Aug 1882, so I am leaning towards those,the LDS church told me years ago that birth and marriage ages where very often out by 2-5 years for one reason or another, thanks for your help

Just take time to digest info....

(looks like a case of her not sure of Birth year perhaps!)

Chris :)

Ok Thanks Chris its still a bit of a muddle, but a lot closer than what i had before, and I guess i will piece it together properly this time and not go off half cocked and thanks

(well, see all added above posting... 12 Jan 2018 18:59)

Birth 1879...

Chris :)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1282865?d=asc

(another above, things got muddled perhaps?)

Hi Chris, its just the way you answered my request as
Hi
I am trying to find information on my Uncle Henry Etherington born in Oldham c1908, his mother was Jane Etherington (my grandmother) His fathers name could/maybe be Henry Etherington who married Jane Davies in 1909. on the 1911 census he is listed as step-son, and name listed as Henry Davies Etherington. ???
and as for the 1901 Census I have a copy of it with her brother Hugh and sister Elizabeth, taken in Barmouth, the only thing I am not sure about is, if it is my Grandmother, as I have not got her in any other Census with family only the ones when she is married to Henry Etherington? so cannot link her up prior to her marriage, unless I am missing somethink??
AL Etherington-----------Hamilton Canada

No, not related!. lol.

Are you sure of that 1901?...

Chris :)

Hi Shirley & Chris
thanks ,yes there are two people as witness's Fred Etherington who i think is an older brother and a Sarah Etherington another relative, and the 58 Guilford street address is correct and all listed there,as I used to visit my Granddad (Henry) there and uncle Frederick when granddad moved out in the 40's & 50's , her date of birth on the 1939 register islisted as 15th Aug 1882, I know uncle Henry was Illegitimate he was born in 1908 and some one at the LDS church thought that when Henry married Jane in 1909 he adopted him, also another mystery is some where there is a Thelma Davies also born out of wedlock to Jane Davies?? as every one alive today all said she was dad's half sister?? but whether Jane is the mother I do not know ? all I seem to remember was dad called her his sister, and i seem to remember a storey?? that she was a foundling?? another cover up.
Oh And Chris these Etherington's are my family are you related to them also through Henry?? again thanks to you both looking to hopefully to hear more on them
AL Etherington---Hamilton Canada

(as below?)

Chris :)

Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Hugh Edwards
Last name Davies
Birth year 1885
Baptism year 1885
Baptism day 19
Baptism month Apr
Place Llanaber
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Labourer)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
(Abode, Barmouth)


Birth
DAVIES, HUGH EDWARDS (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 380


Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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Davies Griffith Machynlleth 11b 330
Edwards Catherine Machynlleth 11b 330

(if them)


Merionethshire Baptisms

First name(s) Jane
Last name Davies
Birth year 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Oct
Place Llanenddwyn
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Stoker)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine


Birth
DAVIES, JANE (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 417

Birth
DAVIES, JANE (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 421


Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Davies
Birth year 1881
Baptism year 1881
Baptism day 30
Baptism month Oct
Place Llanaber
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Labourer)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
(Abode, Barmouth)


Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Davies
Birth year 1877
Baptism year 1877
Baptism day 14
Baptism month Oct
Place Llanenddwyn
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Engine Driver)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine


Merionethshire Marriages and Banns Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Davies
Age 33
Birth year 1879
Year 1912
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1912
Marriage date 08 Apr 1912
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Fireman)
Father's last name Davies
Place Llanaber
County Merionethshire
Spouse's first name(s) Arthur Ernest
Spouse's last name Coppard
Spouse's age 35
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Coppard

(and looking like above couple end up W. Australia)

https://tinyurl.com/yanp474u

(above, Ellen Death notice, Newspapers 1951)


1881 (Find My Past)
Griffith Davies Head Married Male 27 1854 Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales Labourer (Gen)
Catherine Davies Wife Married Female 29 1852 Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales Labourers Wife
Ellen Davies Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales Scholar
Jane Davies Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales
Graigfach, Llanaber, Dolgelly, Merionethshire


1911 (Find My Past)
Griffith Davies Head Widower Male 58 1853 Dyffryn Merioneth Engineer At Sea
Ellen Davies Daughter Single Female 30 1881 Dyffryn Merioneth -
Elizabeth Davies Daughter Single Female 27 1884 Barmouth Merioneth -
Cassie Davies Niece Single Female 9 1902 Barmouth Merioneth At School
Nellie Davies Niece - Female 3 1908 Barmouth Merioneth
Tanyddinas, Barmouth, Merionethshire,


(if her below)

Merionethshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

Davies Catherine 1852 — 1888 Merionethshire Burials Llanaber, Merionethshire

(Burial date 25 Apr 1888 )


DAVIES Catherine 36 Dolgelly 11b 276
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Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)


(and possible for Father)

Merionethshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Griffith
Last name Davies
Age 83
Birth year 1854
Burial year 1937
Burial date 13 Feb 1937
Place Maentwrog
Parish Maentwrog
(Abode, Felin Rhyd Fawr Llanedwen


http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

(could be useful)


1891 Census needed!...

So that can't be her on the 1901 census as it's the wrong birth year

(adding below, reference)

Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
Hugh E Davies Head Single Male 16 1885 General Labourer Barmouth, Merionethshire, Wales
Jane Davies Sister Single Female 21 1880 - Dyffryn, Merionethshire, Wales
Elizabeth Davies Sister Single Female 19 1882 - Barmouth, Merionethshire, Wales
Bronaber Cottage, Barmouth, Dolgelly, Merionethshire,


http://newspapers.library.wales/

(in case anything on above, needle in a haystack, I know!)

Henry was illegitimate

DAVIES, HENRY - Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 666 Occasional Copy: A Order