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That's the one Shirley. Crazy has posted on page 1 that she has the marriage certificate.

Crazy, who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate please? Just wondering if the may have been related to Alfred.

Have you got the mariage cert for Alfred and Dorothy to give their ages and fathers names

You mentioned a sister Laura

The only Laura Thomas mmn smith is 1944 Sheffield

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/

(anything on above, covers some Yorkshire)

Chris :)

(not familiar with County myself!)

i am trying to do my dads fmily tree i have done mst of my mums but was getting nowhere with my dads that ws because i was told he was from wales with everyone help i found this out to be untrue so i am starting again and I do hank you all for this help :-)

Please tell us what you are actually trying to find out. Thanks

i have been looking at the cences and like you i cant find anything i might have to go through milatry records i have look at my parents marriage lines my dad never spoke about his past only o say he was put in homes at the age of 8

New thread on other board.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1370201

Poster has been advised to continue on here

Ok. Thanks for trying ErikaH.

No luck whatsoever with immigration records

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
THOMAS, ALFRED ROTHWELL Order
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 674

THOMAS, GEORGE ROTHWELL Order
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 528

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
THOMAS, CHARLES ROTHWELL Order
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 511

Earlier Thomas/Rothwell births are in Lancashire and are accounted for by marriages

ErikH, if you have an Ancestry sub, have you try searching for Just the surname Thomas b 1876 +/- maybe 5 years and born America? I only have a sub for FMP and I don't think you can search the census using place of birth. I wondered if we could maybe find a sibling born America and still living at home with parents.

It's a bit of a blow that we can't find Alfred and Mary Elizabeth in 1901. Although the 1911 census gives young Alfred's birthplace as Sheffield, his birth was registered in Derbyshire. Wondering if Alfred and Mary Elizabeth married in America. There is an emigration record for a Mary E. Rothwell about the right age. Bit of a longshot though.

rootgatherer, I looked for incoming passenger info as soon as I saw his stated birthplace - there is nothing on Ancestry. Just checked again - zilch

Thank you, crazy, for letting us know that you already had the marriage cert for Alfred and Dorothy and for giving us the info from it. Confirms what we have found.

Could you please tell us what you think about all the other info which has been posted on here for you.

Crazy, unfortunately you have marked this as answered so helpers will think you don't need anymore help. Perhaps you could edit your heading to something like "still looking".

We could do with someone who has access to the incoming passenger lists on Ancestry to find Alfred b.1875/6 coming to England from America. It may help to know when he came and if he was travelling with family members.

The 1911 census says Alfred is a British subject by parentage.

Ihave my dads birth certificate he was born on 06/01/1932 his dad was called Alfred thomas and his mum Dorethey Mary his dad was lance corpral with the 2nd batt west yorkshire regiment and they were based at Stensall camp in york where my father was born I also have my grandparents marriage certificate they were married on the twelth of July 1930 his fathr is down hs Alfred Thomas a Miner my grandmothers father was Edwin Smih who was a porterthats all it says

Hi have read all of your threads and they ll ti in with some of what i hve i was led to belive that my grandfather was from Wales this is why i am not getting anywhre with this because that is where i have been looking so i neeed to start again because i hve been going down th wrong path i would likee to thank everyone for all your help now i can start looking again and forget Wales I hope you can find more things out to help me.

This looks like your grandfather's baptism. Day of the month slightly different from the 1939 register but I think it is the same Alfred Thomas.

Looking at the parents' names it also ties in with the 1911 census posted by ErikH.


First name(s) Alfred
Last name Thomas
Birth year 1903
Birth date 21 Aug 1903
Baptism year 1903
Baptism date 11 Sep 1903
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Alfred
Mother's first name(s) Mary Elizabeth
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-138-2-57
Page 108
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Transcription © Findmypast



On the 1911 census Alfred Senior gives his birth place as America.. Perhaps it's his parents who came from Glamorgan?

Have a good look at all the info which has been posted for you and see what you make of it. Then let us know what you think

But you will need to get a copy of the marriage certificate for Alfred and Dorothy to be certain what his father's details were.

You mentioned the family coming from Wales, but there's nothing to support that theory on the records found so far.

my dad alfred edwin was born in york on army barracks i think Stencal barracks his parents were Alfred and Dorehey Thomas and he did have 3 other brothers all 4 was put into fulwood cottage homes my dad was 8 his brothers i am not surre of there age but his younger brother Graqham was only a baby i believe dont know to much of his other brothers Gordon who lived in Grimsby up to hid death not sure when that was and brian lived in Cleethorpes never met him there was 2 sisters Laura and June who i have never met i believe Laura is still living in Grimsby. my dad Alfred died in 1993 at the age of 62

Yes, I think that's her. She's lodging in 1891 but no sign of her and Alfred in 1901. No sign of their marriage either!

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Lings Row, North Wingfield, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Joseph Rothwell Head Married Male 39 1842 Staffordshire, England Colliery Engine Driver Transcription
Mary Rothwell Wife Married Female 39 1842 Burslem, Staffordshire, England Colliery Wife Transcription
James Rothwell Son Single Male 11 1870 Whittington, Derbyshire, England Scholar Transcription
Cecily Rothwell Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Burslem, Staffordshire, England Scholar Transcription
Mary Elizabeth Rothwell Daughter Single Female 5 1876 North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England Scholar Transcription
Joseph Rothwell Son Single Male 3 1878 North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England Infant