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Sue ...........

my brother, and only sibling, worked on the family history in the 1980s, and would gleefully write to let me know the latest find.

He died in 1990, and I so wish I could let him know what I've found out since I began researching in earnest in 2004.

Don't we all wish facts were - facts.

Since working on my tree around 15 years ago I have discovered so many misdirections (nicer word than lies). :-D

My only regret is that I have no siblings alive since 2004 to share with.

My grandfather was 2 days ... and 1 year out on his birthday. ;) Found out when he retired and had to get a birth certificate.

Probably a function of his mother dying when he was 9, and him being shunted from older sibling to older sibling for a few years.

This made him 4 months younger than my grandmother, rather than 8 months older. She was not pleased.

Sue

That is the difference between your guy and mine .............. everything fits with the Dec 25 1884 date, including his signing up in WW1 as a 34 year old married man with 3 children!

I think his parents must have celebrated his birthday on Dec 25 to save on buying presents 2 weeks apart.

It is only 2 weeks, but unless you buy his birth certificate, there is nothing to prove that date wrong!

Sylvia, I am discounting the 1939 date as everything else fits nicely.

This is my son in law's family and I'm tracing ancestors for my grandkids' benefit when they are older.

Tonight I have found out that x times gt. grandpa was born in Wales. Gone full circle lolol

Sue .......

my grandfather would join your guy in causing problems to anyone who did not know what happened after his death.

His birth date on the 1939 is 25 Dec 1884

His birth date on his death certificate is 25 Dec 1884

His marriage certificate in 1902 says he was 18 which equals 1884 (Grandma said she was 20, when she was really 19!)

His birthday was always celebrated on Dec 25

Nope ............ his birth certificate was found after his death by my uncle and shows he was born Jan 9 1885. I have also bought a copy of it.

Only 2 weeks out, but ................

:-)

You have won the bet...lolol

The 1939 DOB had completely baffled me. Working on the assumption he was an idiot ATM

I have got confused ... but am I winning my bet? :-D

Births Mar 1912
BROAD George mother Edmondson W.Derby 8b 534

(the birth Mary proposed on page 1)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Battyeford, Mirfield, Dewsbury, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Clara H Cartwright Head Married Female 46 1845 Yorkshire, England Cotton Reeler
Ada Cartwright Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cotton Reeler Albert Cartwright Son Single Male 14 1877 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cotton Cop Rapper
Fred Cartwright Son - Male 11 1880 Lancashire, England Scholar
Clara Cartwright Daughter - Female 8 1883 Lancashire, England Scholar
Edith Broad Daughter Married Female 26 1865 Lancashire, England Cotton Reeler
Eunice Broad Granddaughter - Female 4 1887 Lancashire, England -
George Broad Grandson - Male 2 1889 Lancashire, England -

Can't find him on 1901

1939
Broad Household (1 Person)
21 Kiddman Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Charles R Broad ? ( 21) Jul 1898 Male Meat Loading Railway Married 226 1

with Ella Broad

Marriages Jun 1928 (>99%)
Atherton Ella Broad Birkenhead 8a 1269
Broad Charles R Atherton Birkenhead 8a 1269

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 No Image

Name: Charles Roy Broad
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1898
Registration Date: Apr 1984
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 36
Page: 1285

Can you see Charles Roy 1898 on 1901 census.

1901 2,Eton Street liverpool
C H Cartwright born 1840 Halifax a widow (Clara Harriet)

M Brood (Broad) daughter a Cook.
Eunice 14
George 1889

No Charles !!

Maryb.

Thanks again.

I am going to be busy

Sue

Just as an aside the Charles Roy Millen Broad, 'adopted' son with Maria Rigby ( formerly Broad nee Cartwright) is this one

MILLN, CHARLES ROY mmn CARTWRIGHT Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 504

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription

First name(s) Chas. R. W.
Last name Broad
Gender Male
Birth year 1898
Birth place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Baptism year -
Residence Lancashire, England
Place -
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Maria E.
Mother's last name Broad
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

and Eunice

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Eunice
Last name Broad
Gender Female
Birth year 1886
Birth place -
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 04 Oct 1886
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edwin
Father's last name Broad
Mother's first name(s) Maria Edith
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Eunice married William J Templeton
1939
Templeton Household (5 People)
52 Hahnemann Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Perhaps the 1939 is one year out- if he was born 5th December 1911, and birth was registered first quarter 1912?

I wouldn't set much store by the DOB being correct on 1939, if the Edgar Reg march 1912, was born Dec 1911 then the year being out in 1939 wouldn't be unusual?

1939 Edgar Broad senior 103 Makin Street.. widowed living with children DOB 31 May 1888 occupation Ringer - shore gang.

That's the one which I favour TBH as it keeps the 'sea' connection.

The one 'fact' that doesn't fit in is his stated DOB on the 1939 register where he is shown with his first wife.

*bangs head*

Edit: Silly me, he is living with his future wife's family and Ethel herself

oh yes, this one, with middle name George crossed through, mistranscription of Window cleaner lol.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20 Cedardale Road Fazakerley Liverpool, Fazakerley, Lancashire, England

Elizabeth Edmondson Head Widow Female 60 1851 Liverpool Lancs -
Henry Edmondson Son Single Male 25 1886 Liverpool Lancs Master Windsor Cleanser
Ethel Edmondson Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Liverpool Lancs -
William John Scott Grandson Single Male 15 1896 Liverpool Lancs Windsor Cleaner
Edgar Broard Boarder Single Male 23 1888 Liverpool Lancs Ships Quartermaster