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I am researching this family for a distant relative and its a challenge.

Joseph Ash b 1811 Barnsley, Gloucestershire, in 1831 he married Ellen Evans and they continued to live in Ampney St Peter, Gloucestershire, a group of small villages near Cirencester.

I am confused about the number of children born, was there 2 Josephs or 1 Joseph married to Ellen Evans and or Ellen Meek/Meck. or a bad translation see below:

James b 1829, baptised 6 April at Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire (they all were baptised at this church giving Joseph and Ellen as parents.)
Sarah Ann1832-1835 baptised 8th July 1832
Elizabeth b 1836, baptised 22nd May 1836
Now the problems
Sarah Ann b 1838 baptized 11th March 1838, mother's maiden surname Evans.
John b 1839, baptized 26th October 1839, mother's maiden name Evans
Edwin (twin) b 1841, baptized 24th July 1841,mother's maiden name Meck.
Maria (twin) 1841-1841 not baptized, mother's surname Meck
Mary Ann b 1843, baptized 9th April 1843, mother's maiden name Evans
George b 1845, baptised 16th April 1845, cannot find a birth reg
Maria b 1846, baptized 19th July 1846, mother's maiden name Evans
Harriet b 1848, baptized 27th February, mother's name Evans
Joseph b 1849,baptized 17th June 1849, mother's surname Meck
Lucy Ann b 1854, baptized 19th March 1854, mother's maiden name Meek.

Harriet is down as a witness to Joseph's marriage.

On paper it looks like 4 of the children belonged to Joseph Ash and Ellen Meek?
and 8 could be 9 of the children belonged to Joseph Ash and Ellen Evans.

Can find no marriage for Joseph getting married to anybody with the surname Meek/Muck.

Any help would be appreciated

No time at present!, but just to add below, if relating...

Chris :)

22 September 1883 - Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard - Cirencester

Death
Sept. 15, at Cirencester, Harriet, wife of Mr. Joseph Ash, of Ampney St. Mary, aged 70 years.


11 April 1891 - Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard - Cirencester, Gloucestershire

Death
March 31, at Cirencester, Joseph Ash, of Ampney St. Mary, aged 80 years.


Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
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ASH Harriet 70 Cirencester 6a 189


Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Ash Joseph 80 Cirencester 6a 249


Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1988 (Ancestry)

Joseph Ash abt 1811 4 Apr 1891 Ampney St Mary

(says, Died in Cirencester Workhouse)


Deaths Dec 1869 (>99%)
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Ash Ellen 58 Cirencester 6a 254


Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%)
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Ash Joseph Cirencester 6a 537
Page Harriet Cirencester 6a 537


27 November 1869 - Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard - Cirencester,

ASHBROOK. On Tuesday, Mr. Ball held an inquest at the Hill Oak beerhouse, in the parish of Ampney St. Mary. on the body of Ellen Ash, aged 68, who died suddenly on Saturday night. It appeared that two men were quarrelling in the street, and that Mrs. Ash the deceased went out of doors to see what was the matter, and was frightened, she told a neighbour that "the job had done her a good deal of harm" , and she was shortly afterwards found lying on the ground on her face, near her cottage. She died soon after.
The jury returned a verdict that the deceased died from mental excitement.

(age probably should be 58 on above article)


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

(if any help above with some Births)


https://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getfolkbio.php?id=6

(possibly George Ash 1845 on above...
Marriage
Gloucestershire, Cirencester, Oct, Nov, Dev, 1867; Vol. 6a; p 686a; married Jane Spring Tilling.)

for ref

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ampney Street Mary, Ampney St Mary, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

Joseph Ash Male 30 1811 Gloucestershire, England
Ellin Ash Female 30 1811 Gloucestershire, England
James Ash Male 7 1834 Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Ash Female 4 1837 Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Ash Female 3 1838 Gloucestershire, England
John Ash Male 1 1840 Gloucestershire, England

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Can Court, Ampney St Mary, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

Joseph Ash Head - Male 40 1811 Farm Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Ash Wife - Female 39 1812 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Ash Daughter - Female 13 1838 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
John Ash Son - Male 12 1839 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Ash Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ash Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
George Ash Son - Male 6 1845 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Harriett Ash Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Ash Son - Male 2 1849 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England

From GlosBMD
Birth

ASH Lucy Ann MEEK 1854 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 7 318


ASH Harriet EVANS 1847 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 5 19

Name: Joseph Ash
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Jun 1831
Marriage Place: Ampney St Peter, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Ampney, St Peter
Spouse: Ellen Evans - spinster
Witnesses: John Archer and Ann Hillier

Name: Lucy Ann Ash
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1854
Baptism Place: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Joseph Ash
Mother: Ellen Ash

I don't think you'll find that the mother's maiden name is recorded on a baptism in England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage, Ampney St Mary, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Ash Head Married Male 50 1811 Agricultural Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Ellen Ash Wife Married Female 49 1812 Agricultural Labourer Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
George Ash Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Agricultural Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Harriett Ash Daughter - Female 14 1847 Agricultural Labourer Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Joseph Ash Son - Male 12 1849 - Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Lucy Ann Ash Daughter - Female 6 1855 School Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England Transcription

ASH Maria EVANS 1846 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 4 200
ASH Mary Ann EVANS 1843 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 3 70
ASH John EVANS 1839 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 1 424
ASH Sarah Ann EVANS 1838 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 1 133


ASH Edwin MEEK 1841 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 2 258
ASH Maria MEEK 1841 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 2 257
ASH Joseph MEEK 1849 Cirencester Cirencester, Fairford 5 309

Name: Ellen Evans
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1811
Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1812
Baptism Place: Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Mother: Sarah Evans

Ellen was illegitimate - perhaps her mother married a Mr Meek? That would be one possible explanation..............

EDIT

Yes, she did

Name: Sarah Evans
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1815
Marriage Place: Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Thomas Meek

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Illiot End, Ampney Crucis, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Meek Male 50 1791 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Sarah Meek Female 50 1791 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Sarah Meek Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Thomas Meek Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Esther Meek Female 14 1827 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Mills Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England

could this be relevant
Mary
Last name Meek
Birth year -
Marriage year 1814
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Ash
Place Ampney Crucis
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Source Boyd's marriage index, 1538-1850
Record set England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thomas and Sarah's children - Ellen's half siblings



Elizabeth Meek
28 May 1820 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Esther Meek
15 Jul 1827 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

John Meek
21 Sep 1823 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Joseph Meek
30 Jan 1825 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Maria Meek
31 Mar 1822 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Mary Meek
3 Mar 1816 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah
View Record

Thomas Meek
17 Mar 1822 Ampney St Peter Thomas,
Sarah

Elizabeth Mills on 1841 is a daughter of Thomas and Sarah - this is her marriage

Name: Elizabeth Meek
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 May 1841
Marriage Place: Ampney Crucis, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Thomas Meek
Spouse: Elijah Mills

Elizabeth's husband and one of her brothers

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Crown Inn, Ampney Crucis, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Elijah Mills Male 20 1821 - Transcription
John Meek Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England

1851

Name: Eliza Mille
[Elija Mills]
[Elijah Mills]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mille
Where born: Maiseyhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney St Peter
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 1968
Folio: 563
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Mille 35
Elizabeth Mille 30
Ann Mille 7
Hester Mille 4
Fanny Mille 2

This MAY be Ellen's mother's baptism

Name: Sarah Evans
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1792
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1792
Baptism Place: Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Thomas Evans
Mother: Sarah Evans

Thank you folks, I honestly did not think you would sort it out, had not looked into Ellen Evans family. So Ellen's mother Sarah married a Thomas Meek in 1815, so Meek and Evans surname got mixed up and the children are siblings?

The Ash children are full siblings

Confirming the marriage suggested above by Chris Ho

Name: George Ash
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1845
Marriage Date: 26 Oct 1867
Marriage Place: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Ampney, St Mary
Father: Joseph Ash
Spouse: Jane Spring Telling

1871

Name: George Ash
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ash
Gender: Male
Where born: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Town: Ampney Crucis
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Fairford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 2648
Folio: 20
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ash 26
Jane Ash 24
George Ash 2
Emily J Ash 1 Month


1861
Name: Jane S Telling
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Ash
Mother's name: Jane Ash
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: North Cerney
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 1781
Folio: 91
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ash 27
Jane Ash 32
Jane S Telling 11
James Russell 18


1851

Name: Jane Telling
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Ampney Crucis, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1968
Folio: 567
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Telling 43
Jonathan Telling 36
Stephen Telling 34
Mary Telling 26
Ann Telling 6
Jane Telling 1
Martha Telling 2
Sarah Telling 2
Edward Shill 45

1871

Name: George Ash
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ash
Gender: Male
Where born: Ampney St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Town: Ampney Crucis
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Fairford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 2648
Folio: 20
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ash 26
Jane Ash 24
George Ash 2
Emily J Ash 1 Month


1861
Name: Jane S Telling
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Ash
Mother's name: Jane Ash
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: North Cerney
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 1781
Folio: 91
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ash 27
Jane Ash 32
Jane S Telling 11
James Russell 18


1851

Name: Jane Telling
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Ampney Crucis, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ampney Crucis
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district: Cirencester
Sub-registration district: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1968
Folio: 567
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Telling 43
Jonathan Telling 36
Stephen Telling 34
Mary Telling 26
Ann Telling 6
Jane Telling 1
Martha Telling 2
Sarah Telling 2
Edward Shill 45