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I have Thomas Wallis age 64 on 1851 census b Naseby together with wife Jane 66 and son William 31 widower, son Joseph 8. son James 24 and grand-daughter Lucy 9. I did wonder if Joseph age 8 was in fact William's son as Thomas & Jane would have been 56 & 58 respectviely when he was born. I back-tracked to 1841 census and found Thomas & Jane together with other son James but no William. I then looked for William on Naseby1841 census and found William Wallis 20, Ann Wallis 15 and John Wallis 2 mths. Was this William.? I found a marriage for William Wallis and Ann Mawbey daetd 1840. I then jumped to 1861 census and found Thomas Wallis and wife, son James (still single) and son William and wife Mary and 4 children from 1 month to 6 years. Do you think that this is the same William showing widowed and then remarried ?

Have you looked for the marriage for William and the birth of Joseph

Baptism entry Report an Error in Transcription Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Northamptonshire
Place (with link) East Haddon
Church name (with link) St Mary
Register type (with link) Unspecified
Register entry number 626
Baptism date 16 Oct 1842
Person forename Joseph
Person sex M
Father forename William
Mother forename Ann
Father surname WALLIS
Person abode Naseby
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by Jude Lattaway
File line number 623

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Name: Thomas Wallis
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Wallis
Gender: Male
Where born: Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Naseby
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County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Brixworth
Sub-registration district: Spratton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 1742
Folio: 29
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wallis 64
Jane Wallis 66
William Wallis 31
Joseph Wallis 8
James Wallis 24
Lucy Wallis 9


Andy

Birth for Lucy

WALLIS, LUCY - Order
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 225


Joseph

WALLIS, JOSEPH MORBY Order
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 211

Hsi parents?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1840 (>99%)
MAWBEY Ann Brixworth 15 427 Scan available - click to view
WALLIS William Brixworth 15 427

Andy

It's Williams son different spelling of mmn

WALLIS, JOSEPH MORBY
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 211

The reg district covers Naseby

Brixworth RD covers Naseby and Spratton

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WALLIS, LUCY - Order
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 225

WALLIS, JOSEPH MORBY Order
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 211

WALLIS, JOHN MAWBY Order
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 225
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1840 (>99%)
MAWBEY Ann Brixworth 15 427 Scan available - click to view
WALLIS William Brixworth 15 427 Scan available - click to view

Thank you everyone for your replies - and yes Andrew that is the marriage I found for Ann Mawbey and William Wallis. I hadn't found the two births - Lucy and Joseph - but that does rather confirm that they are William's children and not Thomas and Jane's. So he must have remarried a Mary ?? sometime after 1842 and before the 1851 census. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

No mmn showing for Lucy, often indicates an illegitimate birth, so perhaps daughter of a daughter of Thomas and Jane?

Greyghost - have just noticed on your previous reply giving birth notifications for the children that both Lucy and Joseph have the same refeence and page number. Twins ?

Posting 1851 from FMP for places of birth and occupations.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Street, Naseby, Brixworth, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Wallis Head Married Male 64 1787 Ag Lab Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Jane Wallis Wife Married Female 66 1785 - Thorpe Langton, Leicestershire, England
William Wallis Son Widower Male 31 1820 Ag Lab Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Joseph Wallis Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 Scholar Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
James Wallis Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Shoemaker Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Lucy Wallis Grand Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Naseby, Northamptonshire, England

Where have you found the family in 1861? James is a lodger making shoes in Naseby, but not finding the others.

I didn't note the place but believe it was naseby. It goes as follows: Thomas Wallis 74, Jane wife 77, William son 40 Ag lab, Mary 33, Elizabeth 6, John 3, Thomas 1 Charlotte 1/12 and James u/m 33

Have just back-tracked again to 1871 for William Wallis and wife Mary. Still living Naseby - William 50, Mary 43, John 14, Thomas 12, Charlotte 10 Fdk 7, Emma J 5 and William J 2

If you check on freebmd by just inputting June quarter 1841 and 15 225, you'll see that there are 9 births with the same Volume and Page number.

Lucy shows with Thomas and Jane on the 1841 census as per your first post. Her age is put at 1 but I wonder should that be 1 month if only registered June Qtr.
Could Hannah aged 15 on census (so 15-19 years old) be the Mother or were there older daughters?

John (not Joseph) is on the same reference - he showing as 2 months old and is with William and Ann.

One has mmn showing, the other doesn't so not the same parents

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Naseby, Brixworth, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Wallis Male 20 1821 Northamptonshire, England
Ann Wallis Female 15 1826 Northamptonshire, England
John Wallis Male 0 1841 Northamptonshire, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WALLIS, CHARLOTTE PERKINS Order
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 03B Page 117

WALLIS, FREDERICK PERKINS PERKINS Order
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 03B Page 109 Order

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
PERKINS A* Mt Harbro' 7a 51
Perkins Mary Mkt Harborough 7a 51
POLLARD Thomas M. Harboro 7a 51
WALLIS William Market Harborough 7a 51
Wilson Lucy Mt Harbro' 7a 51

Census shows Mary's place of birth as Clipston, Northants. Google shows it to be just south of Market Harborough. Mkt H RD covers Clipston

all others b Naseby

William is an Ag. Lab.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Naseby Village, Naseby, Brixworth, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Wallis Head - Male 50 1821 - Northamptonshire, England
Mary Wallis Wife - Female 43 1828 - Northamptonshire, England
John Wallis Son - Male 14 1857 - Northamptonshire, England
Thomas Wallis Son - Male 12 1859 - Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Wallis Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Northamptonshire, England
Fredrick Wallis Son - Male 7 1864 - Northamptonshire, England
Emma J Wallis Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Northamptonshire, England
William J Wallis Son - Male 2 1869 - Northamptonshire, England

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clipston Alms House, Clipston, Market Harborough, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Perkins Male 50 1791 Northamptonshire, England Ag. Lab
Elizabeth Perkins Female 55 1786 Northamptonshire, England
James Perkins Male 20 1821 Northamptonshire, England
Thomas Perkins Male 15 1826 Northamptonshire, England
Mary Perkins Female 13 1828 Northamptonshire, England

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Long Hold Lodge, Clipston, Market Harborough, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Perkins Head Widow Female 64 1787 Pauper Northamptonshire, England
Mariah Perkins Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1826 Pauper Haslington, Northamptonshire, England

"Mariah" place of birth possibly says Haslebech, not Haslington, and Elizabeth's Ravensthorpe.

All close to each other