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Thanks for replying Pamela.

Thank you for clarifying this much appreciated Pam

Emily Maud accepts Arthur James Record as her brother. He is with Emily and her family on the 1911 census.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5 Evelyn Villas Devonshire Road W Merton, Mitcham, Surrey, England

Bladud Stephen Cuzner Head Married Male 47 1864 Paddington Middlesex Foreman Antifriction Metal Smelters
Emily Maude Cuzner Wife Married Female 47 1864 Westminster Middlesex None
Stephen A W Cuzner Son Single Male 22 1889 Lambeth Surrey Metal Carter Antifriction
Sydney S Cuzner Son Single Male 18 1893 Lambeth Surrey Screw Cap Maker
Victor Ivor Cuzner Son Single Male 16 1895 Battersea Surrey Messenger Boy
Edward A Cuzner Son Single Male 8 1903 Battersea Surrey School
Reginald A Cuzner Son Single Male 4 1907 Tooting Surrey -
Esther G Cuzner Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Lambeth Surrey Laundry Maid
Transcription
Violet A Cuzner Daughter Single Female 11 1900 Battersea Surrey School
Winifred M Cuzner Daughter Single Female 6 1905 Peckham Surrey School
***Arthur J Record*** Brother In Law Single Male 29 1882 Lambeth Surrey Messroom Attendant
Nellie M Arnold Servant Single Female 14 1897 Brixton Surrey General Servant

I hope we haven't wasted our time on this one!

(on FMP, for Westminster (not putting in any names, there are a quite a few pages)...


(did note on 1866 Marriage, James Bath, Matilda Appleton, his Residence, Eccleston Street, St. George Hanover Sq)

(searching St. George Hanover only (no names) some images with blank parts, some Birthplaces, no names)

Chris :)

Wondering on thoughts of Pamela...

1861 missing pieces for the area

668 Middlesex Parish: St Luke
West Finsbury
Golden-Lane
Old Street
Whitecross-Street
680 Middlesex Parish: Paddington
690 Middlesex Parish: Kensington (part)
Brompton
Kensall Green (part)

(well Esther Matilda Baptism 31st July 1861, 16, Eccleston St., Walter occ. Porter. Born July 10th)

Chris :)

(possibly one of not 'Transcribed' on FMP)


Edits (looking on Ancestry, London Marriages, 1855 Lawrence Stanhope, Father Joseph, Spouse Christiana Waite.

(also below)

1844 Matilda Stanhope, Father Joseph Stanhope, Spouse William Appleton. witness Emma Hope) (second Marriage for her, 1866, James Bath, witness Lawrance Stanhope)

I have given up trying to find that 1861 census.

My eyes have turned inside out! :-S :-|

Oh jolly good Chris.

I tried to get onto FreeReg but it wouldn't let me.

Prickles xx

As posted by Andrew earlier...

Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
Howell Esther Matilda Westminster 1a 390
Stanhope Walter Wade Westminster 1a 390

On 1859 Westminster Marriage posted above, Walter occ. Cellarman, his Father, Joseph Stanhope occ. Servant. Wits. Ann Wilks, Emma Howell)

(Walter Wade on image!)


(1864 Baptism, Emily Maud, Walter occ. Cellarman)

Chris :)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(possibly Essex/Kent on above relating, James/Emma Hope)

The child not named on this registration.....

HOPE, - MMN STANHOPE
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 05 Page 438

Matilda M who appears on the 1871 census....

HOPE, MATILDA MARGARET MMN STANHOPE
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in DARTFORD UNION Volume 02A Page 206

??

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
First name(s) EMMA
Last name STANHOPE
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1839
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ EMMA STANHOPE married James Hope
District Romford
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 12
Volume as transcribed 12
Page number 355
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Note that on the 1851 and 1841 census records i posted for Walter Stanhope.....

Born 1828 Hornchurch, Essex.

On the 1871 census, Emily Maud is Neice to James and Emma Hope.

Emma Hope....Born 1822 Hornchurch, Essex

James and Emma on the 1851 census.....

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chalk, North Aylesford, Kent, England

James Hope Head Married Male 32 1819 Railway Labourer Kent, England
Emma Hope Wife Married Female 29 1822 - Hornchurch, Essex, England
Henry Hope Son - Male 1 1850 - Higham, Kent, England

The son Henry......

HOPE, HENRY JAMES Mothers Maiden Name...STANHOPE
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 05 Page 455

So it would seem then that Walter and Emma were siblings.

Frustrating that i still can't find Walter and Esther on the 1861 census.

Thank you I will look at this in more depth Pam

Hi Pamela

Emily's baptism record......

Westminster Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Emily Maud
Last name Stanhope
Birth year 1864
Birth date ? ? 1864
Baptism year 1864
Baptism date 24 Apr 1864
Father's first name(s) Walter (Cellar Man) South Bond Court? Francis Street.
Mother's first name(s) Esther Matilda <<<<<<
Parish St Stephen, Rochester Row
County Middlesex
Country England
Page 229
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Perhaps that might convince you that her father was Walter "Wade" Stanhope and not Walter "White" Stanhope even though his middle name is written as "White" on the marriage record??

Prickles ;o))

Emily Maud Stanhope was married on 29th March 1885 I have the marriage certificate Her Father is not Walter Wade Stanhope. Thanks for all your help

I can't seem to find Walter and Esther on the 1861 census.

??

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
White Hart Lane, Hornchurch Town Ward South, Romford, Essex, England

Ann Stanhope Head Widow Female 68 Widow 1783 - Willingale, Essex, England
Walter Stanhope Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Agl Labr Hornchurch, Essex, England
Lawrence Stanhope Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Agl Labr Hornchurch, Essex, England
John Gardiner Lodger Widower Male 70 1781 Agl Labr Lexden, Essex, England
John Skingley Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1832 Agl Labr Writtle, Essex, England


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
White Hart Lane, Hornchurch, Romford, Essex, England

Joseph Stanhope Male Ag Lab 55 1786 -
Ann Stanhope Female 55 1786 Essex, England
Joseph Stanhope Male 15 1826 Essex, England
Walter Stanhope Male 13 1828 Essex, England
Lawrence Stanhope Male 9 1832 Essex, England
Peter Harrington Male 20 1821 Ireland
George Miller Male 30 1811 Ireland
James Ketch Male 15 1826 -


Deaths Dec 1848 (>99%)
Stanhope Joseph Romford 12 153

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Smith Place, Saint Margaret Westminster, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England

John Howell Head Married Male 48 1803 Labourer Lowdham, Kent, England
Ann Howell Wife Married Female 43 1808 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Mary Howell Daughter - Female 19 1832 Needle Worker Greenwich, Kent, England
Esther Howell Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex, England
Louisa Howell Grand Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Westminster, Middlesex, England

(I can't seem to find the Howell family on the 1841 census)


Westminster Baptisms Transcription
First name(s) Esther
Last name Howell
Birth year 1841
Birth date 18 Jun 1841
Baptism year 1841
Baptism date 20 Dec 1841
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Parish St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
County Middlesex
Country England
Page 126
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain


Mary Ann Howell in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Ann Howell
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1831
Baptism Date: 14 Nov 1831
Baptism Place: St Alphage,Greenwich,Kent,England
Father: John Howell
Mother: Ann


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8, Lewisham Street, St Margarets, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England

John Howell Head Married Male 56 1805 Labourer Lewisham, Kent, England
Ann Howell Wife Married Female 55 1806 - Rosherville, Surrey, England
Louisa Howell Granddaughter - Female 11 1850 - Westmorland, England

Grandaughter Louisa was illegitmate...

HOWELL, LOUISA ANN - (No father named)
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01 Page

Possibly Mary's daughter??

RECORD, ARTHUR JAMES MMN HOWELL
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 373


Arthur James Record in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Arthur James Record
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1882
Baptism Place: Lambeth St Mary the Less, Lambeth, England
Father: James Record
Mother: Esther Matilda Record
Register Type: Parish Registers

Second marriage for Esther


Name: Esther Matilda Stanhope
[Esther Matilda Howell]
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1872
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Newington, Southwark, England
Father: John Howell
Spouse: James Record
Register Type: Parish Register

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Glasshouse Street, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

James Record Head Married Male 54 1837 London, Middlesex, England Iron Moulder
Esther Record Wife Married Female 49 1842 London, Middlesex, England Tailoress
Arthur Record Son Single Male 8 1883 London, Middlesex, England -