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Still don't see William in 1881 or 1891.

Will have to come back to this later. Ancestry.co.uk is playing up this norming - and was last night too. It keeps throwing me out and bringing up Ancestry.com pages instead, and inviting me to pay a sub.

(just added Probate for William 1916, if him)

Chris :)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar


(only seeing below at Finch Square, for area)

1911 (Find My Past)
Louisa Jane Baum Wife Married Female 38 1873 Cardigan Cdgnshre
Finch Square St Dogmaels Near Cardigan, St Dogmells Rural, Pembrokeshire


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3689962/3689965/31/

(ah, there you go!. Wm. Lloyd, 4, Finch square, formerly of 75, Galley Road, Galley, Pentre)


1911 (Find My Past)
William Lloyd Head Widower Male 51 1860 Pembrokeshire Old Malford Family Butcher
75 Gelli Road Gelli Pentre Rhondda, Rhondda, Glamorganshire,
(has Married crossed through, written Widower, Married 33yrs, children none)


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4614097/4614102/50/

(above as well 1914. Property)


National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William
Last name Lloyd
Age 57
Birth year 1859
Death year 1916
Burial year 1916
Burial date 26 Feb 1916
Church Town Cemetery
Denomination Cemetery
Place Cardigan
County Cardiganshire
Country Wales

Chris thank you.

I found the report of Margaret's wedding last night too so I can get it translated. It mentions several family members. :-D
I believe at the end it mentions the death of William Lloyd and there is a death of William Lloyd in 1916 of the correct age.

Thank you for the link to William Davies and for all your help.

Is this Margaret below, Meline?...(can't make it all out, lol, can see names, James Nicholas, William Lloyd)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3778452/3778465/42/


Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Davies William Lloyd Cardigan 11b 8
Lloyd Margaret Davies Cardigan 11b 8

Chris :)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3665586/3665589/25/

(Thomas Nicholas)


Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
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Nicholas Thomas 78 Cardigan 11b 1


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(1903, to James Nicholas)


Deaths Sep 1922 (>99%)
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Nicholas James 65 Cardigan 11b 2

(Probate for him also, 1922, Dorothy LLoyd, widow)


Edits (thinking below might be Willie/William Davies)

1911 (Find My Past)
Martha Morris Head Widow Female 56 1855 Pembroke Eglwyswrw Farmer
Lydia Mary Morris Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Pembroke Meline Farmers Daughter Dairy Work
Sarah Anne Morris Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Pembroke Meline Farmers Daughter House Work
Stephen John Morris Son Single Male 17 1894 Pembroke Meline Farmers Son Working On Farm
William Davies Servant Single Male 37 1874 Pembroke Fishguard Cattleman On Farm
Evan Bevan Servant Single Male 24 1887 Pembroke Meline Carter On Farm
Iyllwyd (Tyllwyd) Eglwyswrw Pembroke, Meline, Pembrokeshire


Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Lloyd William 57 Cardigan 11b 13

(if above him, just before Marriage of Margaret, then Probate for him 1916, to Margaret Lloyd, spinster)

Argyll Gran
Thank you for the Genuki link.
If I remember correctly there are Lloyds from Hubberston - not mine but I will double check
Thank you for your help.

Finally found the farm address given in the newspaper article. The James family were farming there so it possible that William Lloyd moved the sheep to slaughter them elsewhere.
Whether it is my William or another is something I probably won't ever know given that he was in Glamorganshire in 1901 ;-)

Probably William's parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)
Lloyd Stephen Cardigan 11b 21
Rees Jane Cardigan 11b 21

Therefore William's birth;

LLOYD, WILLIAM mms REES
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 2

(Just checking in case he had actually been born in Milford Haven , in spite of what the censuses say - but no. )

Old Milford also known as Hubberston:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Hubberston

grey ghost
Thank you. I'm currently trawling through the 1901 census trying to find Ffynongleision

It's in Penbryn Cardigan but despite finding the enumerators page I'm blowed if I can find the address to see who was living there.
Can find it easily in other census. :-S

You are correct there are a number of butchers called William Lloyd!!

The 1911 posted by AG looks a good bet - Married for 33 years would be right from 1878-1911. This looks like the same hand that has completed the original form.

Then it's been altered to Widower and none for children (these both look like the same hand but not that of the original).

As it was the married woman who was supposed to complete number of years married and children born then the 33 and none have been crossed out, this time in red, so probably by the enumerator as wrongly completed.

Can't explain the Old Milford for pob !!

Thank you for your help Chris. :-D

(well wondered if June (on school record) was mistaken for Jan., for her March qtr. Birth)

If all else fails you need Certs...

Chris :)

Chris - thank you for the school record :-D

I think I have to go back to Pembrokeshire to search.
Just waiting for it to stop raining ;-) ;-) :-D

ArgyllGran

I saw that one and wondered whether it could be him.

Perhaps they only married for respectability, as she was maybe pregnant at the time, but then they never lived together.


Maybe ?? - although he says he has no children.
First he said he was married, then scored that out and wrote "widower".
He wrote "Pembrokeshire" first for his POB, and later added Old Milford.
(I know Nevern's nowhere near Milford Haven - if that's what's meant by Old Milford.)

But he's a butcher, the right age, and the address is almost identical to that in 1901.

From Wikipedia:
"The old district of Ystradyfodwg was named after the church at Ton Pentre."

William Lloyd
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: William Lloyd
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Old Milford, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Rhondda
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 75 Gelli Road Ton Pentre Glam
Marital Status: Widowed
Years Married: 33
Estimated Marriage Year: 1878
Occupation: Family Butcher
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Rhondda
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 32354
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lloyd 51

News article says of the town and was at Cardigan Assizes, so could this be him - coincidentally from Navern??

More than 1 William Lloyd from Nevern who was a Butcher

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Priory Street, Cardigan, Cardigan St Mary, Cardiganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Lloyd Head Married Male 65 1836 Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer & Butcher
Hannah Lloyd Wife Married Female 68 1833 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Ann Lloyd Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Nevern, Cardiganshire, Wales Butchers Assistant
William M Lloyd Grand Son Single Male 12 1889 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Mary H Lloyd Grand Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Simon J Lloyd Grand Son - Male 8 1893 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Martha A Lloyd Grand Daughter - Female 7 1894 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -

News article says 'of the town' and was at Cardigan Assizes, so could this be that Wm Lloyd - coincidentally from Navern??

More than 1 William Lloyd from Nevern who was a Butcher

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Priory Street, Cardigan, Cardigan St Mary, Cardiganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Lloyd Head Married Male 65 1836 Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer & Butcher
Hannah Lloyd Wife Married Female 68 1833 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Ann Lloyd Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Nevern, Cardiganshire, Wales Butchers Assistant
William M Lloyd Grand Son Single Male 12 1889 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Mary H Lloyd Grand Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Simon J Lloyd Grand Son - Male 8 1893 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Martha A Lloyd Grand Daughter - Female 7 1894 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -

Looks as if he was prosecuted for removing sheep from farm in 1904 in contravention of the sheep scab regulations so was back in Pembrokeshire then.

Just checking out spelling of farm name.

Thanks Chris for reminder of newspaper link :-D

Not seeing that 1877 Marriage image on FMP (unfortunately!, they are often useful things Wales!)

Chris :)

http://newspapers.library.wales/

(also had a look on above, not sure if any other of families would be about!)


Edits

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Lloyd
Birth year 1878
Birth date 19 Jun 1878 (19/6/78 on image)
Event year 1885 (Date of Admission February 25th)
School name Meline and Whitechurch School
Town Meline and Whitechurch
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) Dorothy Lloyd
Book type Admissions
(Address, Castellgorfod)

greyghost - me too :-D

I've tried looking with age without age, anywhere except abroad.
Thank you for looking - at least I know it's not just me ;-)